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This is a technical answer ignoring human factors, as you can often see on HN. Poor areas are prone to have more violence, and sharing intimacy will make the c

This is a technical answer ignoring human factors, as you can often see on HN. Poor areas are prone to have more violence, and sharing intimacy will make the consequences of that dreadful. It's already hard to be weak or a pray in the dangerous part of town. But if you have to be in close contact with aggressive groups for your daily living, it will turn into a nightmare. Imagine a woman having the pee at night, how safe would she be if she had to exit her flat, cross the corridor and go to public toilets where people also sell drugs ? Doorm rooms are fine in universities or back packers because people seeking education or travelling are usually not the same ones are those who will mug you. But as someone who went to a poor high school: the rules are not the same there, and the law is going to help you. In short, such proximity would allow a minority of destructive people to make the entire neighborhood hell.

ianai 5y ago
Not all dorms have shared bathrooms. Like put that stuff at the back of it. There’s even probably a way to combine all the requirements into one living area with minimal partitioning at another extreme. In a sense people are already experimenting with this with tiny homes. People will be people, but a good portion of your concern can be addressed through design.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  In France we used to have a lot of common living areas. And we got rid of them. Why ? Because indeed we realized that we could address those problems with design. In this case, the good design is called a private appartment. Honestly those things are so important that anybody stating they can create them differently should be forced to live in them for 10 years in the worst part of the city, like roman bridge builders were forced to sleep under their construction.
  - ianai 5y ago
    Your assumption, as stated, is that “poor places tend to be prone to violence”. That actually leaves no path for a nonviolent situation by premise of building housing for lower/lowest costs. I agree that the problem is nuanced and need to carefully avoid the people making problems for one another. If France has solved the housing problem I’m sure the world is ready to listen.
    - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
      Moving the goal post will only result in the end of this debate.

ianai 5y ago

Not all dorms have shared bathrooms. Like put that stuff at the back of it. There’s even probably a way to combine all the requirements into one living area with minimal partitioning at another extreme. In a sense people are already experimenting with this with tiny homes. People will be people, but a good portion of your concern can be addressed through design.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
In France we used to have a lot of common living areas. And we got rid of them. Why ? Because indeed we realized that we could address those problems with design. In this case, the good design is called a private appartment. Honestly those things are so important that anybody stating they can create them differently should be forced to live in them for 10 years in the worst part of the city, like roman bridge builders were forced to sleep under their construction.
- ianai 5y ago
  Your assumption, as stated, is that “poor places tend to be prone to violence”. That actually leaves no path for a nonviolent situation by premise of building housing for lower/lowest costs. I agree that the problem is nuanced and need to carefully avoid the people making problems for one another. If France has solved the housing problem I’m sure the world is ready to listen.
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    Moving the goal post will only result in the end of this debate.