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The reason to have anyone in an office is because it makes managers and executives feel better. It’s really that simple. No one who has ever worked remotely the

The reason to have anyone in an office is because it makes managers and executives feel better. It’s really that simple. No one who has ever worked remotely themselves could possibly believe that employees are more productive in an office. I think the delusion most people tell themselves about in person being better for spontaneous conversations, and better productivity comes down to just wanting human interaction. Which is totally normal. But all of the talk about how being in person is better is just a cope. Working from home is better in every instance where it’s possible.

jdrc 5y ago
ok. how do we make managers and execs feel better even when everyoen is working remotely then? lots of opportunity for dashboard-sellers there
vanviegen 5y ago
> Working from home is better in every instance where it’s possible. So you're saying that people who are just more productive and happier working from the office do not exist? I sure feel like I exist..
- ryanSrich 5y ago
  I’m saying if you’re more productive in an environment where you’re forced to commute into work, then you don’t have the proper tools to be more productive remotely. This is very common. It’s the lack of a remote working strategy on the part of your company. Of course you won’t have a successful time working from home if you just take your existing in-office work lifestyle and copy-paste it on to working remotely. If your location is causing you to be less productive, then change your location. Go to a coffee shop, or a co-working space. Go to the park. Go anywhere you want.
  - vanviegen 5y ago
    > Go anywhere you want. Which is the office where my coworkers are. It makes working a lot more fun for me.
maccard 5y ago
> No one who has ever worked remotely themselves could possibly believe that employees are more productive in an office Anyone who makes a statement like this is naive ay best. Some people thrive on environments with other people around. Some people don't have a home space conducive to working (either lack of space or having other people living with them). Some people work _much_ better in areas of places where they have supervision; that doesn't mean they need to be babysat just that having someone around keepz them in line and performing well. > Working from home is better in every instance where it’s possible. For you (and for me). But that doesn't mean it's better for everyone, and dogmatically claiming it is weakens the argument for everyone else ("well Fred needs to be in the office and if it doesn't work for Fred it doesn't work for everyone")
- ryanSrich 5y ago
  > Some people thrive on environments with other people around. Some people don't have a home space conducive to working (either lack of space or having other people living with them). Some people work _much_ better in areas of places where they have supervision; that doesn't mean they need to be babysat just that having someone around keepz them in line and performing well. I don’t really see how any of this has to do with remote work. Remote doesn’t necessarily mean working from home. It could mean working from a coffee shop, a co-working space, a boat, a beach, a park, a mountain, etc. If someone craves being around people they can solve that pretty easily in a remote environment (granted it’s been more difficult these past two years, ill give you that). > and dogmatically claiming it is weakens the argument for everyone else Given the proper setup, and support from management, there isn’t an instance where remote work isn’t better. Whatever Fred is missing about an office environment is reproducible in a remote environment. It just takes looking at remote work holistically. Personally I feel the pandemic has set us back quite a bit. We had companies haphazardly forcing remote work without any sort of strategy at all. This obviously is going to cause some people to think it doesn’t work. The problem isn’t remote work, it’s that your company just sucks very badly at doing it.

jdrc 5y ago

ok. how do we make managers and execs feel better even when everyoen is working remotely then? lots of opportunity for dashboard-sellers there

vanviegen 5y ago

> Working from home is better in every instance where it’s possible. So you're saying that people who are just more productive and happier working from the office do not exist? I sure feel like I exist..

ryanSrich 5y ago
I’m saying if you’re more productive in an environment where you’re forced to commute into work, then you don’t have the proper tools to be more productive remotely. This is very common. It’s the lack of a remote working strategy on the part of your company. Of course you won’t have a successful time working from home if you just take your existing in-office work lifestyle and copy-paste it on to working remotely. If your location is causing you to be less productive, then change your location. Go to a coffee shop, or a co-working space. Go to the park. Go anywhere you want.
- vanviegen 5y ago
  > Go anywhere you want. Which is the office where my coworkers are. It makes working a lot more fun for me.

maccard 5y ago

> No one who has ever worked remotely themselves could possibly believe that employees are more productive in an office Anyone who makes a statement like this is naive ay best. Some people thrive on environments with other people around. Some people don't have a home space conducive to working (either lack of space or having other people living with them). Some people work _much_ better in areas of places where they have supervision; that doesn't mean they need to be babysat just that having someone around keepz them in line and performing well. > Working from home is better in every instance where it’s possible. For you (and for me). But that doesn't mean it's better for everyone, and dogmatically claiming it is weakens the argument for everyone else ("well Fred needs to be in the office and if it doesn't work for Fred it doesn't work for everyone")

ryanSrich 5y ago
> Some people thrive on environments with other people around. Some people don't have a home space conducive to working (either lack of space or having other people living with them). Some people work _much_ better in areas of places where they have supervision; that doesn't mean they need to be babysat just that having someone around keepz them in line and performing well. I don’t really see how any of this has to do with remote work. Remote doesn’t necessarily mean working from home. It could mean working from a coffee shop, a co-working space, a boat, a beach, a park, a mountain, etc. If someone craves being around people they can solve that pretty easily in a remote environment (granted it’s been more difficult these past two years, ill give you that). > and dogmatically claiming it is weakens the argument for everyone else Given the proper setup, and support from management, there isn’t an instance where remote work isn’t better. Whatever Fred is missing about an office environment is reproducible in a remote environment. It just takes looking at remote work holistically. Personally I feel the pandemic has set us back quite a bit. We had companies haphazardly forcing remote work without any sort of strategy at all. This obviously is going to cause some people to think it doesn’t work. The problem isn’t remote work, it’s that your company just sucks very badly at doing it.