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This is absolutely nothing new. Ask any french algerian or other french Africans and they will tell you all about the racism, and xenophobia that exists in Fran

This is absolutely nothing new. Ask any french algerian or other french Africans and they will tell you all about the racism, and xenophobia that exists in France and how their "secular" policies are really just a way to make minorities invisible. France has used its cultural capital to white wash their numerous issues of racism and xenophobia.

DoItToMe81 5y ago
Back in the 60s, the French police rounded up over a hundred Algerians in Paris, and then beat, drowned and shot them. It wasn't until 1998 that the French government ceased to deny the massacre, and to this day they still downplay the dead.
_8j50 5y ago
Not just France but any European country. Each in their own special way have similar issues. Europeans' national identity is strongly tied to their long history (which includes migration), it's not just white supremacists but people who feel immigration is threatening their national identity. I can see why and I support them trying to presrve their national identity but cruelty towards others isn't the way, unless they believe themselves to be so cruel.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  Who is surprised? The "diversity is strength" motto is almost Putinesque in its mendacity. Many European states were multicultural - not multiracial in modern sense, but very multicultural, even though the population was white - prior to 1945, either old-style monarchies (Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire), or their successor states prior to the mayhem and ethnic purges of the Second World War. It was a major source of instability, with politicians inciting ethnic groups to hate and distrust one another and watch with jealous eye any possible progress or gain among the "other ones" to pull them down again or at least create an equity of misery. Any parallels to contemporary idpol to America are, well, pretty much expected, because it is more of the same, only the contemporary proponents think that they have come up with something new. They didn't, this shit is very old and caused wars long before our grandparents were born.
  - _8j50 5y ago
    It is true that with resource scarcity comes ethnic tension. But post ww2 prosperity allowed multi-culturalism because of resource abundance. But even historically, the ruling class tends to hoard wealth and resources and have the rules fight each other ir blame foreigners. Democracy is supposed to have helped with that by giving the ruled more power and technology by enabling abundant access to information is supposed to have provided a buffer against the ruling class's propaganda. Either way, Race is a modern invention. I mean,(some) brits are xenophobic against turks and poles which are both "white" in a racial context for example. Europe like Africa and Asia has always been multi-ethnic. But nations in Europe are formed around ethnic lines after centuries of wars. Africa for example had that ethnic state thing until colonialism and post-colonial divisions that disregarded these divisions and resulted in wars and strife that continues to this day. Just like europeans should be welcome in Africa, and elsewhere, the reverse should hold true as well. But while multi-culturalism may or may not work for the US, in Europe and any other old-world nations with long standing culture and history, immigrants should assimilate and adopt the nation's culture and ways. It is unreasonable and impractical to expect immigrants to bring their culture and ways like in the US and have laws and customs to support people from all nations when 95%+ of the people have centuries of ancestral heritage in that country. But quite often, it is far-right extremists that take this sentiment and slap white-supremacist and anti-democratic crap on it to further their ulterior motives.
PoignardAzur 5y ago
> and how their "secular" policies are really just a way to make minorities invisible That's a very bold claim to make. There's a huge gap between "racism and xenophobia exist / are prevalent" and "secular policy is a lie to oppress minorities". Personally, seeing the kinds of problems countries have when religion is enmeshed with the state, I'm happy to live in a country that still believes in secularism.

DoItToMe81 5y ago

Back in the 60s, the French police rounded up over a hundred Algerians in Paris, and then beat, drowned and shot them. It wasn't until 1998 that the French government ceased to deny the massacre, and to this day they still downplay the dead.

_8j50 5y ago

Not just France but any European country. Each in their own special way have similar issues. Europeans' national identity is strongly tied to their long history (which includes migration), it's not just white supremacists but people who feel immigration is threatening their national identity. I can see why and I support them trying to presrve their national identity but cruelty towards others isn't the way, unless they believe themselves to be so cruel.

inglor_cz 5y ago
Who is surprised? The "diversity is strength" motto is almost Putinesque in its mendacity. Many European states were multicultural - not multiracial in modern sense, but very multicultural, even though the population was white - prior to 1945, either old-style monarchies (Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire), or their successor states prior to the mayhem and ethnic purges of the Second World War. It was a major source of instability, with politicians inciting ethnic groups to hate and distrust one another and watch with jealous eye any possible progress or gain among the "other ones" to pull them down again or at least create an equity of misery. Any parallels to contemporary idpol to America are, well, pretty much expected, because it is more of the same, only the contemporary proponents think that they have come up with something new. They didn't, this shit is very old and caused wars long before our grandparents were born.
- _8j50 5y ago
  It is true that with resource scarcity comes ethnic tension. But post ww2 prosperity allowed multi-culturalism because of resource abundance. But even historically, the ruling class tends to hoard wealth and resources and have the rules fight each other ir blame foreigners. Democracy is supposed to have helped with that by giving the ruled more power and technology by enabling abundant access to information is supposed to have provided a buffer against the ruling class's propaganda. Either way, Race is a modern invention. I mean,(some) brits are xenophobic against turks and poles which are both "white" in a racial context for example. Europe like Africa and Asia has always been multi-ethnic. But nations in Europe are formed around ethnic lines after centuries of wars. Africa for example had that ethnic state thing until colonialism and post-colonial divisions that disregarded these divisions and resulted in wars and strife that continues to this day. Just like europeans should be welcome in Africa, and elsewhere, the reverse should hold true as well. But while multi-culturalism may or may not work for the US, in Europe and any other old-world nations with long standing culture and history, immigrants should assimilate and adopt the nation's culture and ways. It is unreasonable and impractical to expect immigrants to bring their culture and ways like in the US and have laws and customs to support people from all nations when 95%+ of the people have centuries of ancestral heritage in that country. But quite often, it is far-right extremists that take this sentiment and slap white-supremacist and anti-democratic crap on it to further their ulterior motives.

PoignardAzur 5y ago

> and how their "secular" policies are really just a way to make minorities invisible That's a very bold claim to make. There's a huge gap between "racism and xenophobia exist / are prevalent" and "secular policy is a lie to oppress minorities". Personally, seeing the kinds of problems countries have when religion is enmeshed with the state, I'm happy to live in a country that still believes in secularism.