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Guy Kawasaki: What I learned from Steve Jobs
- nikcub 15y agoI took tip 1 and stopped reading
- diamondhead 15y agobullshit
- vertr 15y agoThis is a repost. I once respected Kawasaki, however he has turned into a huge social media spammer and baiter.
- SODaniel 15y agoGuy is a very insightful person, fallen victim to the 'The more people that hear me, the more I matter' theorem.
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- vertr 15y agoSounds like an appeal to authority to me.
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- vertr 15y agoI'm talking about your comment: "He was right back then, and he's still right today. Not many people can claim that." There is no argument there other than, 'he's right because he's right.'
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- rumpelstiltskin 15y agoHe's not saying Guy is wrong. He's saying you're gonna have to come up with a more cogent argument than "He was right back then, and he's still right today". Basically, the burden of proof is on you since you made the original claim.
- palish 15y agoKay, you win.
- SODaniel 15y agoHow can it not matter. Once a person that wrote from the heart about matter concerning maybe a few, maybe very few, once fallen victim to his own greatness that person will seek out subjects that appeal to the masses no matter the depth of his own insight. I think it matters deeply.
- palish 15y agoMm... Good point. Is that happening here, you think? I tend to play Devil's advocate; and right now, people are demonizing Guy. But if he's genuinely full of fluff, then it'd be justified.
- slardat01 15y agoCan you give a little background for someone who's not as familiar with GK?
- Goladus 15y agoThe first post was killed for some unknown reason. Are Kawasaki articles banned from Hacker News? Also, the ad hominem seems out of place. Is he wrong or uninteresting in this case?
- vertr 15y agoIt would be ad hominem if I were trying to prove the claims of this article incorrect by critiquing him personally, but I clearly wasn't trying to disprove the claims of the article. Citing wikipedia: "Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an ad hominem or a logical fallacy.[8][13][14][15][16] In order to become a fallacy, the insult would need to be given as a reason for believing some conclusion. An example would be, "X is idiotically ignorant [of politics], so why should we listen to him now?"" Also, "Is he wrong or uninteresting in this case?" is a false dilemma.
- Goladus 15y agoYou are correct. Absent any attempt to address points actually made, it cannot be ad hominem.
- chl 15y agoIs there a way to find out whether a story was killed (besides noticing a sudden drop in the ranking)?
- Goladus 15y agoIn this case, the only way I know is that I had the comments page of the old thread loaded. When I refreshed the page, [dead] appeared in the title and replying was disabled. Now, I'm unable to find it, so I'm not sure, and the comments that were there are not here.
- chl 15y agoAh! HN doesn't display [dead] when you're the submitter of the story. Now I only wonder _why_ it was killed ... http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3088810 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3088810
- arank 15y agoThe video has a lot of good stuff in addition to the lessons he learned - http://video.svb.com/video/12-Lessons-Steve-Jobs-Taught-Gu#c=K6047X335R9Y3XJG&t=12 http://video.svb.com/video/12-Lessons-Steve-Jobs-Taught-Gu#c...
- fredDouglass 15y ago> Which would you rather be: Apple or Xerox PARC? wow. i would much rather 'be' xerox parc. i think that they brought infinitely more value to the human race and probably had a lot more fun doing it. the author is nuts.
- yannickt 15y agoI wouldn't say he's nuts per se, but he's comparing apples and oranges.
- thought_alarm 15y agoPeople left PARC because they wanted to actually ship something. Putting actual products in the hands of real people was and is not something that PARC does.
- podperson 15y ago"infinitely"? Xerox PARC's biggest legacy was refining ideas from other people (Douglas Englebart, the folks who created Simula, et al) and then _not shipping them_. Sure, PARC prototyped the iPad but it was really invented by Stanley Kubrick or one of his production designers wasn't it? If you're in the "Apple stole everything from someone else" camp then at least trace back the origins of everything to Maxwell and Faraday and Ada Lovelace and the medieval monks who invented logic and Euclid and don't just go one step back. We _all_ stand on giants' shoulders. Not all of us help popularize the personal computer, the graphical user interface, object-oriented programming, computer animation, digital music players that fit in your pocket and hold your entire music library, and pocket-sized always-connected touch-screen computers.
- imjk 15y agoI usually find a lot of fluff in Guy Kawasaki's rhetoric, but a lot of this content was actually meaningful. For once I think Guy's not so concerned of his reputation as an iconoclast or coming up with an ostensibly unconventional opinion that this comes off as somewhat genuine.
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- ilamont 15y agoI was skeptical. Customers don't know what they need? You can't go wrong with big fonts and big graphics? Experts don't know what they are talking about? These lessons may work sometimes, but to generalize them across all people, companies and scenarios can lead to major mistakes.
- SODaniel 15y agoI would argue that this is an approach that works only in mature consumer products. Ask a 50+ iPad/iPhone owner what they love about their smart phone or tablet and you will find that ease of use, ease of seeing and low threshold of understanding (or the illusion of) is 90% of the experience. Conversely, the early adopter/tech-savvy market despises the 'training wheels' that come with a lot of 'farmville' products. Design your product for the market you are targeting.
- Anti-Ratfish 15y agoHow can you argue that it only works in mature products? The point was about revolutionary rather than evolutionary change. Or am I missing what you mean?
- cstross 15y agoWhen the market is mature, there will be a lot of competitors. Incremental/evolutionary change therefore doesn't reap big rewards. If you want the big rewards, you've got to identify a new and radically better way to let the customers achieve whatever it is they're trying to do (in service of which they're buying the products currently on the market). Then you get to invent a new product category that is so obviously useful to people that they'll pay big bucks for it. (Random anecdote: last week I was on a trans-Atlantic flight. (Premium economy, not economy.) Looking left: guy in the seat to my left had an iPad. Looking at my own lap: an iPad. Looking to my right: another iPad. I reckon of the 7 seats in my row, 4 or more were occupied by travellers with iPads. The iPad might not be a Mac/Windows/Ubuntu PC replacement, but as a gizmo for keeping the long-haul traveller entertained in flight it rocks. But if you'd asked most of those travellers what they wanted for flying a couple of years ago, they'd probably have said "a laptop with a longer battery life".)
- diamondhead 15y agoAll of these lessons can be learned in any McDonalds store. Just act like you're getting inspiration from Steve Jobs instead of a random guy. The lesson a person with almost 60 years of life experience may not learn is, how does this opportunist self promotion look.
- SODaniel 15y agoFTFY; 'Guy Kawasaki: What I learned from Steve Jobs one more time, because there is nothing sad about 100k more page-views'
- jduran 15y agoThis junk should not be in the the front page.
- robot 15y agothis is a summarized transcript of his talk here: http://video.svb.com/video/12-Lessons-Steve-Jobs-Taught-Gu#c=K6047X335R9Y3XJG&t=12 http://video.svb.com/video/12-Lessons-Steve-Jobs-Taught-Gu#c... Lessons Steve Jobs Taught Guy Kawasaki I think the reason it reads bland is that it is a short summary. I found his talk amusing and better presented than what he listed here.
- iconfinder 15y agoI think this advice is the best: "Customers cannot tell you what they need."
- giardini 15y agoI had javascript disabled and got a blank screen when I first navigated to the URL above. Just had to laugh!8-))
- vilda 15y ago"Which would you rather be: Apple or Xerox PARC?" Am I the only one who would rather be in Xerox PARC than Apple? :)