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> If it turns out you have built lots and lots of the highest-density housing and there's nothing affordable in sight even after that, then guess what - you're

by rtlfe 5y ago

> If it turns out you have built lots and lots of the highest-density housing and there's nothing affordable in sight even after that, then guess what - you're basically in Manhattan. Your point is good, but it turns out that a lot of really expensive parts of Manhattan aren't anywhere near as dense as they should be, such as: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.744212,-74.0017042,3a,90y,346.54h,112.21t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sN6Kqlhbtflehd1MFFW39Tw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DN6Kqlhbtflehd1MFFW39Tw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D32.773224%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i29 https://www.google.com/maps/@40.744212,-74.0017042,3a,90y,34...

asdff 5y ago
That's because its not about the number of apartments, its about the ratio of jobs to apartments and it being completely out of whack which leads to only those making above average income winning in the housing market (rental or buying). Manhattan looks like it should be affordable since its so dense, but it doesn't have enough housing for how many jobs there are there, especially high income jobs.
nobody9999 5y ago
>Your point is good, but it turns out that a lot of really expensive parts of Manhattan aren't anywhere near as dense as they should be, such as: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.744212,-74.0017042,3a,90y,346.54h,112.21t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sN6Kqlhbtflehd1MFFW39Tw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DN6Kqlhbtflehd1MFFW39Tw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D32.773224%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i29 https://www.google.com/maps/@40.744212,-74.0017042,3a,90y,34... I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I live in the area (in fact, I grew up there too) covered by the link you posted and don't know what you mean about density. Yes, many of the older buildings are only 12-15 stories tall, although a bunch are 20, 30 or even 40 stories tall. And yes, there are many brownstones (usually 4 or 5 stories tall, with 1-2 apartments per floor) on side streets as well. And there are buildings like mine (5 stories tall with 4 apartments per floor with a lot size of ~4,000 sq ft.). But there are zero single family homes. Or are you suggesting that we bulldoze Central Park and build 500-600 60 story residential buildings because Central Park is wasted space? As a Manhattanite, not having Central Park (or Riverside Park, or any of the other greenspace in Manhattan for that matter) would make upper Manhattan completely unlivable. Please do elucidate on this. What mechanism could significantly increase the density of Manhattan housing? This ought to be interesting.

by rtlfe 5y ago

asdff 5y ago

That's because its not about the number of apartments, its about the ratio of jobs to apartments and it being completely out of whack which leads to only those making above average income winning in the housing market (rental or buying). Manhattan looks like it should be affordable since its so dense, but it doesn't have enough housing for how many jobs there are there, especially high income jobs.

nobody9999 5y ago

>Your point is good, but it turns out that a lot of really expensive parts of Manhattan aren't anywhere near as dense as they should be, such as: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.744212,-74.0017042,3a,90y,346.54h,112.21t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sN6Kqlhbtflehd1MFFW39Tw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DN6Kqlhbtflehd1MFFW39Tw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D32.773224%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i29 https://www.google.com/maps/@40.744212,-74.0017042,3a,90y,34... I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I live in the area (in fact, I grew up there too) covered by the link you posted and don't know what you mean about density. Yes, many of the older buildings are only 12-15 stories tall, although a bunch are 20, 30 or even 40 stories tall. And yes, there are many brownstones (usually 4 or 5 stories tall, with 1-2 apartments per floor) on side streets as well. And there are buildings like mine (5 stories tall with 4 apartments per floor with a lot size of ~4,000 sq ft.). But there are zero single family homes. Or are you suggesting that we bulldoze Central Park and build 500-600 60 story residential buildings because Central Park is wasted space? As a Manhattanite, not having Central Park (or Riverside Park, or any of the other greenspace in Manhattan for that matter) would make upper Manhattan completely unlivable. Please do elucidate on this. What mechanism could significantly increase the density of Manhattan housing? This ought to be interesting.