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The only thing this is evidence is of is a picture existing of people who appear to be dead, the rest is conjecture. Trusting biased ground sources leads to peo

by 0xy 5y ago

The only thing this is evidence is of is a picture existing of people who appear to be dead, the rest is conjecture. Trusting biased ground sources leads to people believing fake propaganda like Snake Island or the Ghost of Kyiv, manufactured by Ukraine. Given we know Ukraine has been executing and torturing POWs (they bragged about it), it could easily be a false flag or more POW torture.

megous 5y ago
What does "Snake Island" or the "Ghost of Kyiv" have to do with these photos? First being a false claim of casualties, and the second some boasting. > it could easily be a false flag or more POW torture. What exactly could easily be a false flag? I'm pretty sure sending Ukrainian soldiers to kill Ukrainian civilians by hundreds would be a PR disaster, if they would even comply. These can be simply mass graves dug by residents of Bucha weeks before (and perhaps since then): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60729206 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60729206 If you truly want to suspend judgement, maybe don't make any yourself.
- throwaway111023 5y ago
  what if the civilians were russian sympathisers? those don't seem to be getting much love in Ukraine recently. with regards to snake island or ghost of kiev, I think the point that was trying to be made was stop believing shit you see on twitter and thinking you need to have an opinion about it. it's tiresome, no one cares, people have gone from being infectious disease experts to experts on eastern european affairs overnight.
  - megous 5y ago
    A lot of what if's these days... what if he's a Russian and wants to throw around doubts to support his country's war effort. (I can make my own what ifs without any factual basis, too :)) My point is, who cares about what ifs that don't have any factual support (yet or ever).
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    > I think the point that was trying to be made was stop believing shit you see on twitter and thinking you need to have an opinion about it and instead take the word of a HN throwaway account, who even after all this, still wants a "listen to both sides" debate? gotcha. I know people who say Srebrenica was "overrated" and didn't happen the way it is now in the history books because both sides were bad. Saying it's fake jut because you aren't there can have many causes: a) self preservation by refusing not to deal with reality, b) rooting for the other side, c) having a deep hate for all humanity (Ted Kaczinsky types), d) cult like religious believes (Qanon), e) a need to appear 100% fact driven (but taking it so far that one refuses to look at facts/truth when presented with them).
    - throwaway111023 5y ago
      oh yeah terrible, listen to both sides and form your own opinion, how terrible. I'm surprised you didn't invoke Godwins law.

by 0xy 5y ago

megous 5y ago

What does "Snake Island" or the "Ghost of Kyiv" have to do with these photos? First being a false claim of casualties, and the second some boasting. > it could easily be a false flag or more POW torture. What exactly could easily be a false flag? I'm pretty sure sending Ukrainian soldiers to kill Ukrainian civilians by hundreds would be a PR disaster, if they would even comply. These can be simply mass graves dug by residents of Bucha weeks before (and perhaps since then): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60729206 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60729206 If you truly want to suspend judgement, maybe don't make any yourself.

throwaway111023 5y ago
what if the civilians were russian sympathisers? those don't seem to be getting much love in Ukraine recently. with regards to snake island or ghost of kiev, I think the point that was trying to be made was stop believing shit you see on twitter and thinking you need to have an opinion about it. it's tiresome, no one cares, people have gone from being infectious disease experts to experts on eastern european affairs overnight.
- megous 5y ago
  A lot of what if's these days... what if he's a Russian and wants to throw around doubts to support his country's war effort. (I can make my own what ifs without any factual basis, too :)) My point is, who cares about what ifs that don't have any factual support (yet or ever).
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  > I think the point that was trying to be made was stop believing shit you see on twitter and thinking you need to have an opinion about it and instead take the word of a HN throwaway account, who even after all this, still wants a "listen to both sides" debate? gotcha. I know people who say Srebrenica was "overrated" and didn't happen the way it is now in the history books because both sides were bad. Saying it's fake jut because you aren't there can have many causes: a) self preservation by refusing not to deal with reality, b) rooting for the other side, c) having a deep hate for all humanity (Ted Kaczinsky types), d) cult like religious believes (Qanon), e) a need to appear 100% fact driven (but taking it so far that one refuses to look at facts/truth when presented with them).
  - throwaway111023 5y ago
    oh yeah terrible, listen to both sides and form your own opinion, how terrible. I'm surprised you didn't invoke Godwins law.