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Kazakhstan https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30804120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30804120

by pas 5y ago

bombcar 5y ago
A cinder block in the US is almost $2 - let’s assume on discount you can get it for $1. Still expensive. Here’s the cheapest kit at Menards if you’d like to compare: 29551 - Tahoe Cabin Material List at Menards https://www.menards.com/main/p-1569392867885.htm https://www.menards.com/main/p-1569392867885.htm And that’s materials only. And would be considered quite small by US standards. But hey 11% rebate.
- unnouinceput 5y ago
  And that's why you pour the concrete directly into walls with rebars inside. Much stronger than cinder blocks and 10 times cheaper. But hey, nobody wants to actually do quality work, let's just fuck around with lego.
  - bombcar 5y ago
    Around here poured concrete is usually more expensive than cinderblock, though it is also usually better. It’s even cheaper if you do the laying yourself of course.
    - unnouinceput 5y ago
      Don't know where "here" is in your case but do you have skyscrapers? Because if you look at any documentary how a skyscraper is build, it's with pouring cement over rebars, not with stacking cinder blocks. Do you think those guys would not rather prefer stacking cinder blocks over rebars instead of pouring if would've been cheaper?
      - YATA0 5y ago
        Do you think they build skyscrapers and two-story houses the same? That's like saying Honda Civics and Abrahams tanks are built the same because they're both vehicles.
        unnouinceput 5y ago
        Both have engines, and both have crankshafts. So, yeah, at least partially, they are built the same. Now, translating that to our comparison of 2-story house vs. skyscraper, both have floors. Do you see on skyscrapers, when doing said floors, using concrete pouring or cinder blocks? Because if cinder blocks are cheaper, they would've been used for decking/ceiling a floor, but they always use concrete pouring. So yeah, concrete pouring is way cheaper.
      - bombcar 5y ago
        Skyscrapers have to hold the weight of the skyscraper, cinder blocks wouldn't work. Cinder blocks probably max out at two or three stories unless you do brick on concrete frame like you see in some countries. Wood also maxes out at some point, and even poured concrete - which is why the tallest skyscrapers are glass on steel.
        tangjurine 5y ago
        Wood was used to build this 18 story building recently - it definitely is less strong than glass/steel though https://reasonstobecheerful.world/the-age-of-the-wood-skyscraper-is-arriving/ https://reasonstobecheerful.world/the-age-of-the-wood-skyscr...
- sgt 5y ago
  In Kazakhstan they live in mud houses. Cinder blocks are sort of irrelevant.
  - bombcar 5y ago
    Mud houses and yurts should be more common in the USA, especially as many places have perfect climates for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I32sMNktmKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I32sMNktmKo Unfortunately for most Americans who are building a house, a primary concern is the eventual sale, and anything that is not the standard house is a harder sell. Which means that if you're willing to stray from the beaten path you can find some deals, and some disasters.

Kazakhstan https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30804120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30804120

by pas 5y ago

Kazakhstan https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30804120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30804120

A cinder block in the US is almost $2 - let’s assume on discount you can get it for $1. Still expensive. Here’s the cheapest kit at Menards if you’d like to compare: 29551 - Tahoe Cabin Material List at Menards https://www.menards.com/main/p-1569392867885.htm https://www.menards.com/main/p-1569392867885.htm And that’s materials only. And would be considered quite small by US standards. But hey 11% rebate.

unnouinceput 5y ago
And that's why you pour the concrete directly into walls with rebars inside. Much stronger than cinder blocks and 10 times cheaper. But hey, nobody wants to actually do quality work, let's just fuck around with lego.
- bombcar 5y ago
  Around here poured concrete is usually more expensive than cinderblock, though it is also usually better. It’s even cheaper if you do the laying yourself of course.
  - unnouinceput 5y ago
    Don't know where "here" is in your case but do you have skyscrapers? Because if you look at any documentary how a skyscraper is build, it's with pouring cement over rebars, not with stacking cinder blocks. Do you think those guys would not rather prefer stacking cinder blocks over rebars instead of pouring if would've been cheaper?
    - YATA0 5y ago
      Do you think they build skyscrapers and two-story houses the same? That's like saying Honda Civics and Abrahams tanks are built the same because they're both vehicles.
      - unnouinceput 5y ago
        Both have engines, and both have crankshafts. So, yeah, at least partially, they are built the same. Now, translating that to our comparison of 2-story house vs. skyscraper, both have floors. Do you see on skyscrapers, when doing said floors, using concrete pouring or cinder blocks? Because if cinder blocks are cheaper, they would've been used for decking/ceiling a floor, but they always use concrete pouring. So yeah, concrete pouring is way cheaper.
    - bombcar 5y ago
      Skyscrapers have to hold the weight of the skyscraper, cinder blocks wouldn't work. Cinder blocks probably max out at two or three stories unless you do brick on concrete frame like you see in some countries. Wood also maxes out at some point, and even poured concrete - which is why the tallest skyscrapers are glass on steel.
      - tangjurine 5y ago
        Wood was used to build this 18 story building recently - it definitely is less strong than glass/steel though https://reasonstobecheerful.world/the-age-of-the-wood-skyscraper-is-arriving/ https://reasonstobecheerful.world/the-age-of-the-wood-skyscr...
sgt 5y ago
In Kazakhstan they live in mud houses. Cinder blocks are sort of irrelevant.
- bombcar 5y ago
  Mud houses and yurts should be more common in the USA, especially as many places have perfect climates for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I32sMNktmKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I32sMNktmKo Unfortunately for most Americans who are building a house, a primary concern is the eventual sale, and anything that is not the standard house is a harder sell. Which means that if you're willing to stray from the beaten path you can find some deals, and some disasters.