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It is sad justice will never be served for this.

contingencies 5y ago
The total destruction of the invading nation's remnant international political and economic status combined with a brain drain and the further isolation of its allies is quite a heavy price to pay. The culprits' own families will curse them when, in 20 years, we check back in to see how Russia's (not) doing. That said, don't hate on ordinary Russians. They had no control of their government for a long time.
- avgcorrection 5y ago
  > combined with a brain drain Take heart, my bereaved; know that all the potential Russian FAANG hackers are in the EU and the US now.
- sydthrowaway 5y ago
  Russia has been preparing for this for a decade! They are more hardened than you think. The more sanctions, the more desperate and extreme measures taken, and more innocent loss of life. I do not see a way out of this conflict other than WW3.
  - megous 5y ago
    Corrupt kleptocrats preparing for their country having to do everything by itself, after being cut off from the world. Yeah, I don't believe that they succeeded. Soon, they'll barely be able to manufacfture tractors, once Czechia stops selling them tractor kits. :D Look here and see how many of these don't depend on foreign tech or knowledge: https://russian-farmland.com/tractor-made-in-russia.html https://russian-farmland.com/tractor-made-in-russia.html
  - mlyle 5y ago
    Russia's ability to fight a WW3 is being steadily eroded. Long term, the writing was on the wall before this: inverting population pyramid and declining population, rampant corruption, lack of significant industry beyond petroleum (which is becoming less relevant), diplomatic marginalization, rotting military. This was a last ditch play to try and restore Russian relevance. And the conflict has just directly exacerbated this: killed a bunch of Russian youth, destroyed a bunch of military materiel, brought in sanctions that hamper the economy's ability to fund their military over the long run. And it's encouraged Western Europe to invest in military and pay the significant costs necessary for energy independence.
- yks 5y ago
  They don't control the government but they love it, and, frankly, russians also love that they don't have the control cause then they don't have to bear any responsibility for anything.
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- tomjen3 5y ago
  I feel like the punishment for murder and child rape should be higher than being cursed by your family. Hopefully as a minimum Ukraine prosecutes and charges each and every captured Russian soldier when this is over. As a minimum they are guilty of partaking in a war of aggression.
raducu 5y ago
Justice means sending Ukraine all the equipment it needs, handing Ukraine all the frozen assets of the Russian Central Bank, stopping all russian imports and banning travel to Russia, banning sending any medicine for as long as the war criminal Putin is in power and for as.long as those who commoted those attrocities are not held on trial.
megous 5y ago
Never say never. Some perpetrators of these crimes are likely dead already. And who knows what the future holds, maybe those frozen foreign reserves may not be comming back to Russia's central bankers, but will instead go to reparations and compensation to victims.
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- number6 5y ago
  The reserve and the frozen assets should be returned if and only if the Russian People send Putin and his hunta to the ICJ. The reparation part sound nice too though

The total destruction of the invading nation's remnant international political and economic status combined with a brain drain and the further isolation of its allies is quite a heavy price to pay. The culprits' own families will curse them when, in 20 years, we check back in to see how Russia's (not) doing. That said, don't hate on ordinary Russians. They had no control of their government for a long time.

avgcorrection 5y ago
> combined with a brain drain Take heart, my bereaved; know that all the potential Russian FAANG hackers are in the EU and the US now.
sydthrowaway 5y ago
Russia has been preparing for this for a decade! They are more hardened than you think. The more sanctions, the more desperate and extreme measures taken, and more innocent loss of life. I do not see a way out of this conflict other than WW3.
- megous 5y ago
  Corrupt kleptocrats preparing for their country having to do everything by itself, after being cut off from the world. Yeah, I don't believe that they succeeded. Soon, they'll barely be able to manufacfture tractors, once Czechia stops selling them tractor kits. :D Look here and see how many of these don't depend on foreign tech or knowledge: https://russian-farmland.com/tractor-made-in-russia.html https://russian-farmland.com/tractor-made-in-russia.html
- mlyle 5y ago
  Russia's ability to fight a WW3 is being steadily eroded. Long term, the writing was on the wall before this: inverting population pyramid and declining population, rampant corruption, lack of significant industry beyond petroleum (which is becoming less relevant), diplomatic marginalization, rotting military. This was a last ditch play to try and restore Russian relevance. And the conflict has just directly exacerbated this: killed a bunch of Russian youth, destroyed a bunch of military materiel, brought in sanctions that hamper the economy's ability to fund their military over the long run. And it's encouraged Western Europe to invest in military and pay the significant costs necessary for energy independence.
yks 5y ago
They don't control the government but they love it, and, frankly, russians also love that they don't have the control cause then they don't have to bear any responsibility for anything.
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tomjen3 5y ago
I feel like the punishment for murder and child rape should be higher than being cursed by your family. Hopefully as a minimum Ukraine prosecutes and charges each and every captured Russian soldier when this is over. As a minimum they are guilty of partaking in a war of aggression.

raducu 5y ago

Justice means sending Ukraine all the equipment it needs, handing Ukraine all the frozen assets of the Russian Central Bank, stopping all russian imports and banning travel to Russia, banning sending any medicine for as long as the war criminal Putin is in power and for as.long as those who commoted those attrocities are not held on trial.

megous 5y ago

Never say never. Some perpetrators of these crimes are likely dead already. And who knows what the future holds, maybe those frozen foreign reserves may not be comming back to Russia's central bankers, but will instead go to reparations and compensation to victims.

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number6 5y ago
The reserve and the frozen assets should be returned if and only if the Russian People send Putin and his hunta to the ICJ. The reparation part sound nice too though