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Fine. N-times more likely to be hard-working enough for the Ivy League.

AussieWog93 5y ago
Internet arguments aside, the fact that certain cultural groups push their children to study hard (and also provide them with as many resources as possible to make sure their studies are fruitful) probably is a big contributor to the disparity illustrated in your table.
- car_analogy 5y ago
  It does not seem to have helped non-Jewish whites any, compared to Blacks and Hispanics. I guess it's a very special kind of studiousness whites have - one that helps with SAT scores, but not Ivy League admissions: https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highlight-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-h...
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
    Anecdotally, it absolutely has. The people I knew growing up (regardless of race) whose parents encouraged educational excellence were far more likely to attain it. (Looking at your link, it's important to note that it doesn't separate Jewish and non-Jewish Whites.)
    - car_analogy 5y ago
      But it looks at all students (not only those that make it into the Ivies), so Jewish whites, that are only ~4% of all whites, have a minuscule effect on white SAT scores. Yet, for non-Jewish whites, comparatively higher SAT scores have not translated into higher Ivy enrollment.
      - AussieWog93 5y ago
        >Jewish whites, that are only ~4% of all whites, have a minuscule effect on white SAT scores On average, yes. At the Ivy League level, though, they account for a solid third of the white admissions. I'm sure you'd find a similar overrepresentation in the top few percentiles of the SAT.
        car_analogy 5y ago
        > I'm sure you'd find a similar overrepresentation in the top few percentiles of the SAT. Even supposing this is true, it still doesn't answer the question: Since non-Jewish whites do better at the SAT than Blacks and Hispanics, why does this translate to lower, not higher, Ivy enrollment rates? The data clearly shows: higher SAT scores help every group except non-Jewish whites.
        AussieWog93 5y ago
        I get the general point about the affirmative action, but it's important to remember that it's not just Whites getting the short end of the stick. Asians are absolutely underrepresented too.
Manuel_D 5y ago
There are indeed racial disparities in time spent on academics [1]. 1. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/08/10/analyzing-the-homework-gap-among-high-school-students/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/...

Internet arguments aside, the fact that certain cultural groups push their children to study hard (and also provide them with as many resources as possible to make sure their studies are fruitful) probably is a big contributor to the disparity illustrated in your table.

car_analogy 5y ago
It does not seem to have helped non-Jewish whites any, compared to Blacks and Hispanics. I guess it's a very special kind of studiousness whites have - one that helps with SAT scores, but not Ivy League admissions: https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highlight-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-h...
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  Anecdotally, it absolutely has. The people I knew growing up (regardless of race) whose parents encouraged educational excellence were far more likely to attain it. (Looking at your link, it's important to note that it doesn't separate Jewish and non-Jewish Whites.)
  - car_analogy 5y ago
    But it looks at all students (not only those that make it into the Ivies), so Jewish whites, that are only ~4% of all whites, have a minuscule effect on white SAT scores. Yet, for non-Jewish whites, comparatively higher SAT scores have not translated into higher Ivy enrollment.
    - AussieWog93 5y ago
      >Jewish whites, that are only ~4% of all whites, have a minuscule effect on white SAT scores On average, yes. At the Ivy League level, though, they account for a solid third of the white admissions. I'm sure you'd find a similar overrepresentation in the top few percentiles of the SAT.
      - car_analogy 5y ago
        > I'm sure you'd find a similar overrepresentation in the top few percentiles of the SAT. Even supposing this is true, it still doesn't answer the question: Since non-Jewish whites do better at the SAT than Blacks and Hispanics, why does this translate to lower, not higher, Ivy enrollment rates? The data clearly shows: higher SAT scores help every group except non-Jewish whites.
        AussieWog93 5y ago
        I get the general point about the affirmative action, but it's important to remember that it's not just Whites getting the short end of the stick. Asians are absolutely underrepresented too.

Manuel_D 5y ago

There are indeed racial disparities in time spent on academics [1]. 1. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/08/10/analyzing-the-homework-gap-among-high-school-students/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/...