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“Bucha is looking like the new Srebrenica”

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
The reports coming out of UA this weekend are utterly horrific: > "Dead civilians are seen near a highway 20 km outside of Kyiv. Under the blanket are 4-5 dead naked women whom the barbarians tried to burn right there on the side of the road." -- https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510333131320090633 https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510333131320090633 > "My husband's friend, a doctor from Zaporizhzhia, says a group of girls from Mariupol was admitted to their hospital. The oldest one is 10 years old. They have recto-vaginal tears." -- https://twitter.com/olya_rudenko/status/1510304622816251909 https://twitter.com/olya_rudenko/status/1510304622816251909 "Almost 300 buried in mass grave in Bucha, near Kyiv:" -- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/2/almost-300-buried-in-mass-grave-in-bucha-near-kyiv-mayor https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/2/almost-300-buried-in... "New Srebrenica. The Ukrainian city of Bucha was in the hands of animals for several weeks. Local civillians were being executed arbitrarily, some with hands tied behind their backs, their bodies scattered in the streets of the city." -- https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089 https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089 > "As in Syria, in Ukraine - e.g. Bucha, Irpin - Russian forces & allies are planting mines in areas under their control, including residential areas. Bodies are also used as booby traps. Unlike Ukraine, Russia is not a signatory to the 2018 Mine Ban Treaty." -- https://twitter.com/ruslantrad/status/1510388667143106575 https://twitter.com/ruslantrad/status/1510388667143106575
- tim333 5y ago
  It's not really selling the whole let's compromise with Putin thing.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    it doesn't no. the horrors that have been coming out this weekend hopefully make our "political elite" realize that sanctions alone aren't gonna cut it.
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- sydthrowaway 5y ago
  It is sad justice will never be served for this.
  - contingencies 5y ago
    The total destruction of the invading nation's remnant international political and economic status combined with a brain drain and the further isolation of its allies is quite a heavy price to pay. The culprits' own families will curse them when, in 20 years, we check back in to see how Russia's (not) doing. That said, don't hate on ordinary Russians. They had no control of their government for a long time.
    - avgcorrection 5y ago
      > combined with a brain drain Take heart, my bereaved; know that all the potential Russian FAANG hackers are in the EU and the US now.
    - sydthrowaway 5y ago
      Russia has been preparing for this for a decade! They are more hardened than you think. The more sanctions, the more desperate and extreme measures taken, and more innocent loss of life. I do not see a way out of this conflict other than WW3.
      - megous 5y ago
        Corrupt kleptocrats preparing for their country having to do everything by itself, after being cut off from the world. Yeah, I don't believe that they succeeded. Soon, they'll barely be able to manufacfture tractors, once Czechia stops selling them tractor kits. :D Look here and see how many of these don't depend on foreign tech or knowledge: https://russian-farmland.com/tractor-made-in-russia.html https://russian-farmland.com/tractor-made-in-russia.html
      - mlyle 5y ago
        Russia's ability to fight a WW3 is being steadily eroded. Long term, the writing was on the wall before this: inverting population pyramid and declining population, rampant corruption, lack of significant industry beyond petroleum (which is becoming less relevant), diplomatic marginalization, rotting military. This was a last ditch play to try and restore Russian relevance. And the conflict has just directly exacerbated this: killed a bunch of Russian youth, destroyed a bunch of military materiel, brought in sanctions that hamper the economy's ability to fund their military over the long run. And it's encouraged Western Europe to invest in military and pay the significant costs necessary for energy independence.
- throwaway111023 5y ago
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  - chipgap98 5y ago
    What evidence do you have to support this?
  - PeterisP 5y ago
    Don't trust, look at the evidence. For example, here are executed civilians with hands tied behind their back - https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1510341389405589505 https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1510341389405589505
    - throwaway111023 5y ago
      - type0 5y ago
        yeah and they were combating with their hands tied behind their backs go troll somewhere else
        throwaway111023 5y ago
    - 0xy 5y ago
      The only thing this is evidence is of is a picture existing of people who appear to be dead, the rest is conjecture. Trusting biased ground sources leads to people believing fake propaganda like Snake Island or the Ghost of Kyiv, manufactured by Ukraine. Given we know Ukraine has been executing and torturing POWs (they bragged about it), it could easily be a false flag or more POW torture.
megous 5y ago
This is how the Russian "liberation" always looked like. Gang rapes, murder and wanton destruction and plunder. https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2018/12/23/wretched-misconduct-of-the-red-army/ https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2018/12/23/wretched-miscon... It should not be a surprise this did not change, when the whole nation is lead by a guy who still unquestioningly glorifies the sacrifice of the Red Army in WWII. It's probably a policy by now, just to keep the morale at least somewhat above 0.
neonsunset 5y ago
Ever heard about 40,000 plastic bags ordered by russian army or mobile crematoriums at the border between Ukraine and Belarus prepared by russians? They weren’t for their soldiers, they were for us, Ukrainians. Just think about it for a second. Mobile crematoriums for mass executions of civilian population in 2022. The military help we desperately need is not about some geopolitical play or pushing one’s agenda. No. It is about stopping the inhuman tragedy of holocaust that is reoccurring before your very eyes. See 1: https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1510168073831165956?s=21&t=UnjAfyMqsoI43sMIiOQ0IA https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1510168073831165956?s=21... 2: https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1510359803180290050?s=21&t=UnjAfyMqsoI43sMIiOQ0IA https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1510359803180290050?s=2... 3: https://twitter.com/aseyevstanislav/status/1510333593180069896?s=21&t=UnjAfyMqsoI43sMIiOQ0IA https://twitter.com/aseyevstanislav/status/15103335931800698...
- neonsunset 5y ago
  Naturally, if you are a resident of US or EU, I ask you to contact your government representatives and pressure them to do right. Additionally, if you are a resident of Hungary, it is important that you demand your government to stop blocking military and humanitarian aid from being delivered to Ukraine through your territory.
  - forum_ghost 5y ago
    I've read a while back than France24 reported this: "British website The Telegraph is reporting that Russia is using mobile crematoriums in Ukraine in bid to hide its losses. But the accompanying video footage of a crematorium actually dates from 2013. It was posted by a Russian incinerator construction company and is not footage from the ground. The use of mobile crematoriums by Russians during the current war in Ukraine is yet to be verified. We tell you more in this edition. " https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220228-are-russians-using-mobile-crematoriums-in-ukraine https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220228-... This hasn't been updated for a month, still market as "unverified". Same on Snopes, "unproven": https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-mobile-crematoriums/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-mobile-crematoriums... I don't see anything about mobile crematoriums in the tweets linked, was the tweet taken down or something?
rasz 5y ago
They ran in a hurry and didnt have the time to cover it up like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre My grandmother told stories of farmers burying women and children in dugouts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemlyanka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemlyanka after hearing about coming Russian "liberators". My grandfather ran into the woods to join the resistance against "Allied" Russian forces.
VictorPath 5y ago
dbs 5y ago
sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck, .. https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1510168073831165956?s=21&t=UnjAfyMqsoI43sMIiOQ0IA https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1510168073831165956?s=21... (recent russian technical standards for digging and maintaining mass graves amid wartime)
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The reports coming out of UA this weekend are utterly horrific: > "Dead civilians are seen near a highway 20 km outside of Kyiv. Under the blanket are 4-5 dead naked women whom the barbarians tried to burn right there on the side of the road." -- https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510333131320090633 https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510333131320090633 > "My husband's friend, a doctor from Zaporizhzhia, says a group of girls from Mariupol was admitted to their hospital. The oldest one is 10 years old. They have recto-vaginal tears." -- https://twitter.com/olya_rudenko/status/1510304622816251909 https://twitter.com/olya_rudenko/status/1510304622816251909 "Almost 300 buried in mass grave in Bucha, near Kyiv:" -- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/2/almost-300-buried-in-mass-grave-in-bucha-near-kyiv-mayor https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/2/almost-300-buried-in... "New Srebrenica. The Ukrainian city of Bucha was in the hands of animals for several weeks. Local civillians were being executed arbitrarily, some with hands tied behind their backs, their bodies scattered in the streets of the city." -- https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089 https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089 > "As in Syria, in Ukraine - e.g. Bucha, Irpin - Russian forces & allies are planting mines in areas under their control, including residential areas. Bodies are also used as booby traps. Unlike Ukraine, Russia is not a signatory to the 2018 Mine Ban Treaty." -- https://twitter.com/ruslantrad/status/1510388667143106575 https://twitter.com/ruslantrad/status/1510388667143106575

tim333 5y ago
It's not really selling the whole let's compromise with Putin thing.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  it doesn't no. the horrors that have been coming out this weekend hopefully make our "political elite" realize that sanctions alone aren't gonna cut it.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
sydthrowaway 5y ago
It is sad justice will never be served for this.
- contingencies 5y ago
  The total destruction of the invading nation's remnant international political and economic status combined with a brain drain and the further isolation of its allies is quite a heavy price to pay. The culprits' own families will curse them when, in 20 years, we check back in to see how Russia's (not) doing. That said, don't hate on ordinary Russians. They had no control of their government for a long time.
  - avgcorrection 5y ago
    > combined with a brain drain Take heart, my bereaved; know that all the potential Russian FAANG hackers are in the EU and the US now.
  - sydthrowaway 5y ago
    Russia has been preparing for this for a decade! They are more hardened than you think. The more sanctions, the more desperate and extreme measures taken, and more innocent loss of life. I do not see a way out of this conflict other than WW3.
    - megous 5y ago
      Corrupt kleptocrats preparing for their country having to do everything by itself, after being cut off from the world. Yeah, I don't believe that they succeeded. Soon, they'll barely be able to manufacfture tractors, once Czechia stops selling them tractor kits. :D Look here and see how many of these don't depend on foreign tech or knowledge: https://russian-farmland.com/tractor-made-in-russia.html https://russian-farmland.com/tractor-made-in-russia.html
    - mlyle 5y ago
      Russia's ability to fight a WW3 is being steadily eroded. Long term, the writing was on the wall before this: inverting population pyramid and declining population, rampant corruption, lack of significant industry beyond petroleum (which is becoming less relevant), diplomatic marginalization, rotting military. This was a last ditch play to try and restore Russian relevance. And the conflict has just directly exacerbated this: killed a bunch of Russian youth, destroyed a bunch of military materiel, brought in sanctions that hamper the economy's ability to fund their military over the long run. And it's encouraged Western Europe to invest in military and pay the significant costs necessary for energy independence.
throwaway111023 5y ago
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- chipgap98 5y ago
  What evidence do you have to support this?
- PeterisP 5y ago
  Don't trust, look at the evidence. For example, here are executed civilians with hands tied behind their back - https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1510341389405589505 https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1510341389405589505
  - throwaway111023 5y ago
    - type0 5y ago
      yeah and they were combating with their hands tied behind their backs go troll somewhere else
      - throwaway111023 5y ago
  - 0xy 5y ago
    The only thing this is evidence is of is a picture existing of people who appear to be dead, the rest is conjecture. Trusting biased ground sources leads to people believing fake propaganda like Snake Island or the Ghost of Kyiv, manufactured by Ukraine. Given we know Ukraine has been executing and torturing POWs (they bragged about it), it could easily be a false flag or more POW torture.

megous 5y ago

This is how the Russian "liberation" always looked like. Gang rapes, murder and wanton destruction and plunder. https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2018/12/23/wretched-misconduct-of-the-red-army/ https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2018/12/23/wretched-miscon... It should not be a surprise this did not change, when the whole nation is lead by a guy who still unquestioningly glorifies the sacrifice of the Red Army in WWII. It's probably a policy by now, just to keep the morale at least somewhat above 0.

neonsunset 5y ago

Ever heard about 40,000 plastic bags ordered by russian army or mobile crematoriums at the border between Ukraine and Belarus prepared by russians? They weren’t for their soldiers, they were for us, Ukrainians. Just think about it for a second. Mobile crematoriums for mass executions of civilian population in 2022. The military help we desperately need is not about some geopolitical play or pushing one’s agenda. No. It is about stopping the inhuman tragedy of holocaust that is reoccurring before your very eyes. See 1: https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1510168073831165956?s=21&t=UnjAfyMqsoI43sMIiOQ0IA https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1510168073831165956?s=21... 2: https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1510359803180290050?s=21&t=UnjAfyMqsoI43sMIiOQ0IA https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1510359803180290050?s=2... 3: https://twitter.com/aseyevstanislav/status/1510333593180069896?s=21&t=UnjAfyMqsoI43sMIiOQ0IA https://twitter.com/aseyevstanislav/status/15103335931800698...

neonsunset 5y ago
Naturally, if you are a resident of US or EU, I ask you to contact your government representatives and pressure them to do right. Additionally, if you are a resident of Hungary, it is important that you demand your government to stop blocking military and humanitarian aid from being delivered to Ukraine through your territory.
- forum_ghost 5y ago
  I've read a while back than France24 reported this: "British website The Telegraph is reporting that Russia is using mobile crematoriums in Ukraine in bid to hide its losses. But the accompanying video footage of a crematorium actually dates from 2013. It was posted by a Russian incinerator construction company and is not footage from the ground. The use of mobile crematoriums by Russians during the current war in Ukraine is yet to be verified. We tell you more in this edition. " https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220228-are-russians-using-mobile-crematoriums-in-ukraine https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220228-... This hasn't been updated for a month, still market as "unverified". Same on Snopes, "unproven": https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-mobile-crematoriums/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-mobile-crematoriums... I don't see anything about mobile crematoriums in the tweets linked, was the tweet taken down or something?

rasz 5y ago

They ran in a hurry and didnt have the time to cover it up like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre My grandmother told stories of farmers burying women and children in dugouts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemlyanka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemlyanka after hearing about coming Russian "liberators". My grandfather ran into the woods to join the resistance against "Allied" Russian forces.

VictorPath 5y ago

dbs 5y ago

sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck, .. https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1510168073831165956?s=21&t=UnjAfyMqsoI43sMIiOQ0IA https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1510168073831165956?s=21... (recent russian technical standards for digging and maintaining mass graves amid wartime)

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