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The end result of that is that low income housing doesn't get built and market rate housing that doesn't have unnecessary and burdensome regulatory requirements
by ceeplusplus 5y ago
The end result of that is that low income housing doesn't get built and market rate housing that doesn't have unnecessary and burdensome regulatory requirements gets built instead.
> usually in special variance of zoning that the rest of us have to abide by
The solution is to remove the zoning in the first place, not add more requirements to get an exception to it.
- foolfoolz 5y agoi think you just have to phrase this differently: newly built housing is not cost effective to sell to low income people
- f7ebc20c97 5y agoThere is zero technical reason why housing can't be cheap as hell in this day and age. It's all due to government restrictions. And I'm not talking about shanty towns either - that's what you get when legal housing is too expensive to build!
- barry-cotter 5y agoIndeed, housing can be very cheap. See military barracks or flop houses/SROs. Housing is expensive as a means to keep poor people away from the middle class.
- f7ebc20c97 5y agoThen why can't you build a perfectly fine cabin on your own rural property without government inspectors coming around and micromanaging. US/Canadian automobiles are also needlessly expensive, there are many awesome vehicles sold in Mexico etc., like the Hilux, and I don't see it as a conspiracy to keep poor people down, but an overabundance of caution from bureaucrats covering their ass and regulatory capture. It's really hard to argue the libertarian point of view because you're always trying to point out the "unseen costs".
- Guvante 5y agoThe secondary market makes universal standards generally helpful. As much as everyone says buyer beware you have to beware a lot less when housing and vehicles were built to a certain standard. Having to track down whoever built the house to figure out what standards they followed is painful enough when the house is a few years old let alone decades. Similarly vehicles safety isn't just about the driver (although that is very important) some of the safety changes have been made to minimize impact on others. While everyone bitches about easy to scratch bumpers those bumpers help almost accidents not result in terrible things for pedestrians. Not to say there isn't regulatory capture or that the rules are the correct strictness. It is just it is less "unseen costs" and more "things people don't think about" of course the only reason they don't think about it is the bureaucracy.
- f7ebc20c97 5y agoDude, it's a cabin. It's made out of logs. You should at least be able to opt-out. If you're concerned about resale value then you can pursue a NACHI seal of approval. You should be free to drive a car with friggin spikes on the front, and the insurance industry should be free to charge you accordingly for the liability risk. That's freedom.
- bombcar 5y agoApparently you can in Wyoming, as long as you’re far back enough from the road. Haven’t verified.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago"You should be free to drive a car with friggin spikes on the front" Then I shouks be free to shoot your car on sight if it gets withing 100 meters of my children? You can't bring them back from the dead
- f7ebc20c97 5y agoNow we're talkin'!
- goodluckchuck 5y agoOne way or another, we all live and die by the market.
- Schiendelman 5y agoNot in housing. We’ve MADE housing expensive; the market would be making it cheaper if we simply didn’t prevent people from building more.
- goodluckchuck 5y agoI agree, but that means we shouldn’t call it market-rate housing.
- Schiendelman 4y agoThat’s a fascinating idea and I like it.
- f7ebc20c97 5y agoRegulations such as zoning are enormous social experiments. Experiments should have control groups! Where are the control group cities? Why do experimental social regulations have to be universal? Would life without them be great? Would it be terrible? I doubt that mankind evolved to require so much micromanagement in all aspects of life.
- breckenedge 5y agoHouston Texas has no zoning laws. Cant really say they do any better or worse than comprable cities with zoning laws.
- hunterb123 5y agoWhile Houston technically doesn't have zoning they do have defacto zoning laws that look like other city zoning just more broken up. Deed restrictions, density restrictions, lot size restrictions, buffering ordinances, tax incremental investment zones, history preservations, airport zoning, neighborhood petitioning, etc.
- Schroedingersat 5y agoThat's not true though. They have the same rules, they just call them ordinances.
- f7ebc20c97 5y agoDo they really? You can just build a factory in your back yard and pursue the American Dream? Or do they still effectively have zoning laws?
- Schiendelman 5y agoPlease please read about this before repeating it. They have most of the nonsense in zoning, just written differently.
- deepakhj 5y agoToday's low income housing was yesterday's market rate housing. Single family homes do not have affordability requirements and never have any issues with zoning. Multi family housing does but then it has all these fees and affordable requirements placed on it, making it more expensive than it should be and reducing the potential output in # of units.
- taurath 5y agoIts more like today's 95th percentile housing was yesterdays low income housing