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Why would anybody pro abortion?

by temp8964 5y ago

freyr 5y ago
Overpopulation? But I think it’s safe to assume they mean pro-choice.
- temp8964 5y ago
  At this point it's not safe to assume anything. Maybe there are lots of them think it's a good thing to kill babies. Who knows?
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  Personally I also do use the term pro-abortion because it is clear about the actual issue and what the disagreement is. Pretty much every single person anywhere is in favor of both life and choice, it's a uselessly euphemistic set of terms that obscures the real conflict. I'm not necessarily in favor of any specific case of abortion, or wanting more of them in the world, or anything like that. "Pro abortion access" would probably be more technically correct but that opens the argument up to getting derailed by "well how much access" and shit. Plus the mild transgressiveness of the term is helpful sometimes, if it makes people stop for a second and ask like this.
inetknght 5y ago
> Why would anybody pro abortion? There are many reasons. In the case that carrying a fetus to term would kill the mother: abort. One life does not merit the safety of another. In the case that a fetus was conceived in rape: abort. Would you remind yourself, and even be beholden to, evil? In the case that a fetus would be born unwanted: abort. It is better to be born into a loving family than raised in orphanages or worse: raised in a family who do not love you.
- temp8964 5y ago
  Why do you need those reasons? It doesn't like pro-abortion, it's anti-abortion by limiting its use cases. If you are pro-abortion, you would happily suggest any pregnant women to abort their babies.
  - oneoff786 5y ago
    Overly literal semantic argument. Uninteresting
  - anamax 5y ago
    There are multiple groups who advocate abortion for "those people." (Different groups have different definitions of "those people.")
  - inetknght 5y ago
    > Why do you need those reasons? I don't. You asked why would anyone. I just presented some reasons that I know my lady friends have stated. I do, in fact, think that you don't "need" any reason whatsoever. I think a woman has every right to choose whether or not to have a baby including to abort a baby for any reason or even for no reason.
fishywang 5y ago
Gender equality. In most cases it takes a man and a woman to conceive a fetus. But if the fetus is finally born into a baby, the consequence of that is rarely divided evenly between the man and the woman. In extreme but not really uncommon cases, the division can be 100%-0%: that the man bears no consequences at all and the woman bears all the consequences. Abortion makes the consequence close to 0, so that it's more even between 100% and 0%.
- temp8964 5y ago
  I don't see how you said links to pro abortion.
hurflmurfl 5y ago
Why would everybody be anti-abortion? Why are some people rooting for war, while others denounce military acts? Why does my grandma love eating fish heads but I think it's odd? I think it's normal that different people think differently. I think this is a very flame-inviting question as it stands.
- temp8964 5y ago
  I think most people are anti-abortion. People usually celebrate a birth, not celebrate an abortion. "I heard you abort the baby. Congratulations!" still seems weird. No? It's kind of strange to me. But what do I know?
- tzs 5y ago
  I think what they are getting it is that someone called it "pro-abortion". It is usually called "pro-choice", because it is abortion rights that most pro-choice people are in favor of rather than abortion itself. I've certainly met vastly more people who want to preserve Roe v. Wade because they want to preserve a woman's right to choose than people who want to preserve Roe v. Wade because they think that we need more abortions. I can't recall ever meeting someone who was actually pro-abortion. Even those who think we should significantly lower the population almost always want to do that through better contraception, not through more abortions.
  - throwoutway 5y ago
    That’s pro-semantics. I’d rather not play word games. If you’re pro-choice you are pro-abortion
    - tzs 5y ago
      It's not word games. It is quite possible to believe that something is wrong and people should not do it while at the same time believing that whether or not people do that wrong thing should be their decision.
      - 5y ago
Der_Einzige 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

Why would anybody pro abortion?

freyr 5y ago

Overpopulation? But I think it’s safe to assume they mean pro-choice.

temp8964 5y ago
At this point it's not safe to assume anything. Maybe there are lots of them think it's a good thing to kill babies. Who knows?
giraffe_lady 5y ago
Personally I also do use the term pro-abortion because it is clear about the actual issue and what the disagreement is. Pretty much every single person anywhere is in favor of both life and choice, it's a uselessly euphemistic set of terms that obscures the real conflict. I'm not necessarily in favor of any specific case of abortion, or wanting more of them in the world, or anything like that. "Pro abortion access" would probably be more technically correct but that opens the argument up to getting derailed by "well how much access" and shit. Plus the mild transgressiveness of the term is helpful sometimes, if it makes people stop for a second and ask like this.

inetknght 5y ago

> Why would anybody pro abortion? There are many reasons. In the case that carrying a fetus to term would kill the mother: abort. One life does not merit the safety of another. In the case that a fetus was conceived in rape: abort. Would you remind yourself, and even be beholden to, evil? In the case that a fetus would be born unwanted: abort. It is better to be born into a loving family than raised in orphanages or worse: raised in a family who do not love you.

temp8964 5y ago
Why do you need those reasons? It doesn't like pro-abortion, it's anti-abortion by limiting its use cases. If you are pro-abortion, you would happily suggest any pregnant women to abort their babies.
- oneoff786 5y ago
  Overly literal semantic argument. Uninteresting
- anamax 5y ago
  There are multiple groups who advocate abortion for "those people." (Different groups have different definitions of "those people.")
- inetknght 5y ago
  > Why do you need those reasons? I don't. You asked why would anyone. I just presented some reasons that I know my lady friends have stated. I do, in fact, think that you don't "need" any reason whatsoever. I think a woman has every right to choose whether or not to have a baby including to abort a baby for any reason or even for no reason.

fishywang 5y ago

Gender equality. In most cases it takes a man and a woman to conceive a fetus. But if the fetus is finally born into a baby, the consequence of that is rarely divided evenly between the man and the woman. In extreme but not really uncommon cases, the division can be 100%-0%: that the man bears no consequences at all and the woman bears all the consequences. Abortion makes the consequence close to 0, so that it's more even between 100% and 0%.

temp8964 5y ago
I don't see how you said links to pro abortion.

hurflmurfl 5y ago

Why would everybody be anti-abortion? Why are some people rooting for war, while others denounce military acts? Why does my grandma love eating fish heads but I think it's odd? I think it's normal that different people think differently. I think this is a very flame-inviting question as it stands.

temp8964 5y ago
I think most people are anti-abortion. People usually celebrate a birth, not celebrate an abortion. "I heard you abort the baby. Congratulations!" still seems weird. No? It's kind of strange to me. But what do I know?
tzs 5y ago
I think what they are getting it is that someone called it "pro-abortion". It is usually called "pro-choice", because it is abortion rights that most pro-choice people are in favor of rather than abortion itself. I've certainly met vastly more people who want to preserve Roe v. Wade because they want to preserve a woman's right to choose than people who want to preserve Roe v. Wade because they think that we need more abortions. I can't recall ever meeting someone who was actually pro-abortion. Even those who think we should significantly lower the population almost always want to do that through better contraception, not through more abortions.
- throwoutway 5y ago
  That’s pro-semantics. I’d rather not play word games. If you’re pro-choice you are pro-abortion
  - tzs 5y ago
    It's not word games. It is quite possible to believe that something is wrong and people should not do it while at the same time believing that whether or not people do that wrong thing should be their decision.
    - 5y ago

Der_Einzige 5y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism