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The impact of burning gas isn't the only hidden cost. There are big health effects from air pollution caused by brake dust, tires, and other car components. The

by rtlfe 5y ago

The impact of burning gas isn't the only hidden cost. There are big health effects from air pollution caused by brake dust, tires, and other car components. There are all the people who are disabled and killed in crashes. There's all the space that could be used for parks, flood mitigation, etc if it wasn't dedicated to driving and storing cars. There's noise pollution that has a tangible impact on sleep and stress.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Most of that can also be said for bars, restaurants, living rooms, gyms etc. If you have a kitchen at home, you don't need a bar and a restaurant. Soft drinks? Useless unhealthy pollution. Alcohol, even worse. Why have two rooms (bedroom+living room) if you can't be in both at once? And you're wasting space with then, and energy to heat and cool them. Looking at the causes of death in the developed world, I think food (fast, restaurant, processed and junk food + sugary drinks) kills way more people than cars, even when accounting for pollution, brake dust, etc.
- rtlfe 5y ago
  > Looking at the causes of death in the developed world, I think food (fast, restaurant, processed and junk food + sugary drinks) kills way more people than cars, even when accounting for pollution, brake dust, etc. A big difference is that I can chose to eat healthy food as an individual, but it's basically impossible to escape the negative impact of cars without a major shift in how government allocates space and money.
- lucb1e 5y ago
  > Soft drinks? Useless unhealthy pollution. Bit of a false comparison. I have no problem with you drinking soft drinks, and I can do it myself in the moderation that I choose. However, if I want to live near a train station, odds in Germany are basically 100% that there is also a well-traveled car street there with all the accompanying problems. It's more like smoking in someone else's apartment and less like drinking sugar in someone else's apartment. > Why have two rooms (bedroom+living room) if you can't be in both at once? I mean you clearly don't even believe this yourself. Not sure if there's a point trying to explain how this comparison doesn't make any sense, either. It has nothing to do with the aforementioned hidden cost of >1 ton metal box transportation with an occupancy rate of one point something.

by rtlfe 5y ago

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

Most of that can also be said for bars, restaurants, living rooms, gyms etc. If you have a kitchen at home, you don't need a bar and a restaurant. Soft drinks? Useless unhealthy pollution. Alcohol, even worse. Why have two rooms (bedroom+living room) if you can't be in both at once? And you're wasting space with then, and energy to heat and cool them. Looking at the causes of death in the developed world, I think food (fast, restaurant, processed and junk food + sugary drinks) kills way more people than cars, even when accounting for pollution, brake dust, etc.

rtlfe 5y ago
> Looking at the causes of death in the developed world, I think food (fast, restaurant, processed and junk food + sugary drinks) kills way more people than cars, even when accounting for pollution, brake dust, etc. A big difference is that I can chose to eat healthy food as an individual, but it's basically impossible to escape the negative impact of cars without a major shift in how government allocates space and money.
lucb1e 5y ago
> Soft drinks? Useless unhealthy pollution. Bit of a false comparison. I have no problem with you drinking soft drinks, and I can do it myself in the moderation that I choose. However, if I want to live near a train station, odds in Germany are basically 100% that there is also a well-traveled car street there with all the accompanying problems. It's more like smoking in someone else's apartment and less like drinking sugar in someone else's apartment. > Why have two rooms (bedroom+living room) if you can't be in both at once? I mean you clearly don't even believe this yourself. Not sure if there's a point trying to explain how this comparison doesn't make any sense, either. It has nothing to do with the aforementioned hidden cost of >1 ton metal box transportation with an occupancy rate of one point something.