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If you aren't familiar with Andrew Sullivan, would recommend skimming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sulliv

by tmcw 5y ago

If you aren't familiar with Andrew Sullivan, would recommend skimming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan

dnissley 5y ago
Some pieces from Sullivan that fill in more background: We all live on campus now: https://archive.ph/r3hBu https://archive.ph/r3hBu What happened to you?: https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-you-e5f https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-you-e... Interview with Ezra Klein: https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/andrew-sullivan-and-i-work-out-our-differences/id1081584611?i=1000429850645 https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/andrew-sullivan-and-i-...
Sporktacular 5y ago
Right. He talks about 'white anxiety' as a reason form limiting immigration, about being tactical about gender identity protections. All the arguments conservatives used against gay rights in the past. He's the kind of gay conservative who promotes conservatism for everything, except where it would be a detriment to gays. He rides the progressive train until it's his stop, and then tries to derail it. It's ugly, cynical and selfish. But agree the show could have taken and responded better to his viewpoints.
- kcplate 5y ago
  > He's the kind of gay conservative who promotes conservatism for everything, except where it would be a detriment to gays. He rides the progressive train until it's his stop, and then tries to derail it. It's ugly, cynical and selfish. So…because he colors outside of the “established” lines it’s selfish? Honestly, this expectation for partisan political orthodoxy from people representing specific groups is so scary.
  - Sporktacular 5y ago
    What isn't orthodox about promoting the standard prescribed positions of a political group while trying to carve out exceptions for your own case? Seeking the benefits of group acceptance while avoiding its cost on individuality is what people have always done. Brave is taking a principled position, regardless of the crowd. Unselfish is doing so despite the personal cost. This guy is neither. He just wants to have it both ways.

by tmcw 5y ago

If you aren't familiar with Andrew Sullivan, would recommend skimming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan

dnissley 5y ago

Some pieces from Sullivan that fill in more background: We all live on campus now: https://archive.ph/r3hBu https://archive.ph/r3hBu What happened to you?: https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-you-e5f https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-you-e... Interview with Ezra Klein: https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/andrew-sullivan-and-i-work-out-our-differences/id1081584611?i=1000429850645 https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/andrew-sullivan-and-i-...

Sporktacular 5y ago

Right. He talks about 'white anxiety' as a reason form limiting immigration, about being tactical about gender identity protections. All the arguments conservatives used against gay rights in the past. He's the kind of gay conservative who promotes conservatism for everything, except where it would be a detriment to gays. He rides the progressive train until it's his stop, and then tries to derail it. It's ugly, cynical and selfish. But agree the show could have taken and responded better to his viewpoints.

kcplate 5y ago
> He's the kind of gay conservative who promotes conservatism for everything, except where it would be a detriment to gays. He rides the progressive train until it's his stop, and then tries to derail it. It's ugly, cynical and selfish. So…because he colors outside of the “established” lines it’s selfish? Honestly, this expectation for partisan political orthodoxy from people representing specific groups is so scary.
- Sporktacular 5y ago
  What isn't orthodox about promoting the standard prescribed positions of a political group while trying to carve out exceptions for your own case? Seeking the benefits of group acceptance while avoiding its cost on individuality is what people have always done. Brave is taking a principled position, regardless of the crowd. Unselfish is doing so despite the personal cost. This guy is neither. He just wants to have it both ways.