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Both. I've got a biology background and have education in ornithology and ecology. I've spent time in the field with a number of species of birds. It's been

Both. I've got a biology background and have education in ornithology and ecology. I've spent time in the field with a number of species of birds. It's been a while since I've worked with birds, but I've got a solid foundation and am capable of understanding the literature for topics where my memory's lapsed. Yes, we classify them into categories. I'm trying to figure out how you've managed to convince yourself that ducks and tinamous fall into this special category of terrestrial birds which the experts should obviously know have penises for obvious reasons, but these other birds with the same life history don't fall into this magical category and thus don't have them. What about tinamous and anatids place them in this group which excludes penguins, turkeys, loons, and all of the other birds which are either aquatic or terrestrial and do not have penises? Edit: I'm also waiting here for you to bring the Rattites into this. I'm a little disappointed honestly. There's some arguments for you to make from that family and I don't know why you haven't brought them up.

jelliclesfarm 5y ago
I didn’t say tinamous and ducks fall in the same category. I said that it makes sense for ground foragers(most flightless birds) and water fowl(anatids) to be more picky with their mate selection due to the easier access to resources. Birds copulating in flight are not resisting and simply cannot due to their dynamics. Where did you get information about loon, penguin and turkeys and their respective penii? They are not adjacent classes as chicken and geese(which was what I was talking about..).
- msrenee 5y ago
  - jelliclesfarm 5y ago
jelliclesfarm 5y ago
Let’s break it down: 1. Do the birds have easy access to food resources? 2. Do they have to take flight to look for food? 3. Do they migrate? 4. Do they have predators in the wild? 5. Are they aggressive or docile? 6. Are they domesticated? 7. Are they monogamous or promiscuous? Take all the bird examples you can think of + chicken/eggs. Make a table and let me know how my ‘shoehorned’ theory fails. Unlike you, I am not an expert. Or a scientist. I farm and have been a chef. I haven’t had an opportunity to check for ostrich penis, but I have cooked them for breakfast.
- msrenee 5y ago
  How do you explain the fact that penguins, turkeys, and loons do not have penises even though they all fit your requirements for birds that should have them?
  - jelliclesfarm 5y ago
    What is your opinion as an expert and a biologist? ETA: I am not interested in an never ending ‘what about’ or gotcha games. However, if you are willing, I will walk you through critical thinking process using logic and multi modal approach to answering questions that confound us. I will present you with a set of questions you can answer as a biologist/expert or you can google. At the end of it, you will arrive at the answer you want. It will be fun.
    - msrenee 5y ago
      Lmao.

jelliclesfarm 5y ago

I didn’t say tinamous and ducks fall in the same category. I said that it makes sense for ground foragers(most flightless birds) and water fowl(anatids) to be more picky with their mate selection due to the easier access to resources. Birds copulating in flight are not resisting and simply cannot due to their dynamics. Where did you get information about loon, penguin and turkeys and their respective penii? They are not adjacent classes as chicken and geese(which was what I was talking about..).

msrenee 5y ago
- jelliclesfarm 5y ago

jelliclesfarm 5y ago

Let’s break it down: 1. Do the birds have easy access to food resources? 2. Do they have to take flight to look for food? 3. Do they migrate? 4. Do they have predators in the wild? 5. Are they aggressive or docile? 6. Are they domesticated? 7. Are they monogamous or promiscuous? Take all the bird examples you can think of + chicken/eggs. Make a table and let me know how my ‘shoehorned’ theory fails. Unlike you, I am not an expert. Or a scientist. I farm and have been a chef. I haven’t had an opportunity to check for ostrich penis, but I have cooked them for breakfast.

msrenee 5y ago
How do you explain the fact that penguins, turkeys, and loons do not have penises even though they all fit your requirements for birds that should have them?
- jelliclesfarm 5y ago
  What is your opinion as an expert and a biologist? ETA: I am not interested in an never ending ‘what about’ or gotcha games. However, if you are willing, I will walk you through critical thinking process using logic and multi modal approach to answering questions that confound us. I will present you with a set of questions you can answer as a biologist/expert or you can google. At the end of it, you will arrive at the answer you want. It will be fun.
  - msrenee 5y ago
    Lmao.