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> pushing a drug that was obviously not working What do you mean by not working? It seems that the two choices are a.) getting covid and building some immunity

> pushing a drug that was obviously not working What do you mean by not working? It seems that the two choices are a.) getting covid and building some immunity or b.) getting a covid vaccine and getting some immunity, in the end a and b both provide some immunity. To me the downsides of a are clear, but I'd be interested in hearing why you think there are no upsides to b. > remember the lab leak hypothesis? I'm not expert but I think the most recent thing I heard about the origins of COVID is that is some natural origin is back on the table as the most likely scenario. > definition of vaccine was modified to fit that new drug Please tell me if I'm mistaking what you mean, but I don't think the definition of a vaccine was modified? Instead I think the public had a working lay definition, based on the success of previous vaccination efforts. I think the definition was always something like a medicine that enhances immunity against a disease. > The whole thing is sickening. This I agree with, but for me it's been more that people start with conclusions, work backwards to find evidence, and then call it research.

rascul 5y ago
> > definition of vaccine was modified to fit that new drug > Please tell me if I'm mistaking what you mean, but I don't think the definition of a vaccine was modified? Instead I think the public had a working lay definition, based on the success of previous vaccination efforts. I think the definition was always something like a medicine that enhances immunity against a disease. The CDC did modify their definitions of "vaccine" and "vaccination" on their web site, and some people have taken that to mean various things. I think it was changed early May, 2021. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210412182439/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210412182439/https://www.cdc.g...
- asimpletune 5y ago
  Thanks for the links! Original definition: > Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose. Current definition: > Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
  - xaedes 5y ago
    That new definition sounds pretty broad. Does that make vitamin C a vaccine? I think it also stimulates the body's immune response against diseases.
    - asimpletune 5y ago
      > Does that make vitamin C a vaccine? I would say no, since vitamin c doesn’t enhance the body’s immune system against a specific disease. And the new definition seems to be about the same as the old one, to me at least. The only material difference was the removal of “protecting” (I don’t have the specific wording in front of me) While I can’t attest to what exactly their intent in that deletion was, I can imagine it may have been to remove the temptation to make bad faith interpretations of what “protection” is meant in this context. Clearly though the original context was that vaccines protect us in the same was we mean when we say car seatbelts protect against accidents.
      - WaxedChewbacca 5y ago
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rascul 5y ago

> > definition of vaccine was modified to fit that new drug > Please tell me if I'm mistaking what you mean, but I don't think the definition of a vaccine was modified? Instead I think the public had a working lay definition, based on the success of previous vaccination efforts. I think the definition was always something like a medicine that enhances immunity against a disease. The CDC did modify their definitions of "vaccine" and "vaccination" on their web site, and some people have taken that to mean various things. I think it was changed early May, 2021. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210412182439/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210412182439/https://www.cdc.g...

asimpletune 5y ago
Thanks for the links! Original definition: > Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose. Current definition: > Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
- xaedes 5y ago
  That new definition sounds pretty broad. Does that make vitamin C a vaccine? I think it also stimulates the body's immune response against diseases.
  - asimpletune 5y ago
    > Does that make vitamin C a vaccine? I would say no, since vitamin c doesn’t enhance the body’s immune system against a specific disease. And the new definition seems to be about the same as the old one, to me at least. The only material difference was the removal of “protecting” (I don’t have the specific wording in front of me) While I can’t attest to what exactly their intent in that deletion was, I can imagine it may have been to remove the temptation to make bad faith interpretations of what “protection” is meant in this context. Clearly though the original context was that vaccines protect us in the same was we mean when we say car seatbelts protect against accidents.
    - WaxedChewbacca 5y ago
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