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Can always get a new job. But if every company has shareholders, can’t avoid that. Really don’t understand the reasoning to not making contributing to sharehold

Can always get a new job. But if every company has shareholders, can’t avoid that. Really don’t understand the reasoning to not making contributing to shareholder profit voluntary. Completely illogical. Basically you agree it’s authoritarian but “it’s better than the alternative” which is bullshit.

seibelj 5y ago
There are worker co-ops and communal living groups. No one forces you to join a traditional corporation. You could also (gasp!) start your own company… But that’s a lot of work!
- djrobstep 5y ago
  You've misunderstood. I want to work at the company, I just don't want to be forced to contribute shareholder profits - just like you want to work at the company but don't want to be forced to contribute union dues.
  - seibelj 5y ago
    The goal of a for-profit business is to make money. There are plenty of non-profits and government jobs if you don’t want to get with the program. You may be shocked to find a lot of non-profits also need to make cash to survive, however.
    - djrobstep 5y ago
      Again you've seemed to misunderstand. I'm happy to work at the company and make money, I just don't want to be forced to contribute to shareholder profits, just like you don't want to be forced to contribute to union dues. Why should one be voluntary but not the other?
      - seibelj 5y ago
        I voluntarily join a company. Me paying some third-party non-governmental organization to “represent” me when I never asked for it is the issue. However we keep going in circles and it is clear you are illogical.
        djrobstep 5y ago
        Similarly, I voluntarily join a company. Me paying some third-party shareholders when I never asked for it is the issue. Where’s the lack of logic? The real issue is you won’t even begin to engage in explaining why these two things are different. It suggests to me you haven’t arrived at this position rationally, but through ideology (“corporations good, unions bad”).

seibelj 5y ago

There are worker co-ops and communal living groups. No one forces you to join a traditional corporation. You could also (gasp!) start your own company… But that’s a lot of work!

djrobstep 5y ago
You've misunderstood. I want to work at the company, I just don't want to be forced to contribute shareholder profits - just like you want to work at the company but don't want to be forced to contribute union dues.
- seibelj 5y ago
  The goal of a for-profit business is to make money. There are plenty of non-profits and government jobs if you don’t want to get with the program. You may be shocked to find a lot of non-profits also need to make cash to survive, however.
  - djrobstep 5y ago
    Again you've seemed to misunderstand. I'm happy to work at the company and make money, I just don't want to be forced to contribute to shareholder profits, just like you don't want to be forced to contribute to union dues. Why should one be voluntary but not the other?
    - seibelj 5y ago
      I voluntarily join a company. Me paying some third-party non-governmental organization to “represent” me when I never asked for it is the issue. However we keep going in circles and it is clear you are illogical.
      - djrobstep 5y ago
        Similarly, I voluntarily join a company. Me paying some third-party shareholders when I never asked for it is the issue. Where’s the lack of logic? The real issue is you won’t even begin to engage in explaining why these two things are different. It suggests to me you haven’t arrived at this position rationally, but through ideology (“corporations good, unions bad”).