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Sure, after all Ukraine has a right to defend itself. But we need to stop pretending nobody knows why Russia invaded. We knew exactly what they would do, so the

by yucky 5y ago

Sure, after all Ukraine has a right to defend itself. But we need to stop pretending nobody knows why Russia invaded. We knew exactly what they would do, so the question is...why did we think this was a good idea? That seems to be the question going largely unanswered.

cuteboy19 5y ago
The answer is simple: imperialism. Moscow cannot deal with the fact that Ukraine does not want to be vassal state of a dying has been empire
- yucky 5y ago
  >The answer is simple: imperialism. Who is being imperial though? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg/1024px-History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Hi...
SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> But we need to stop pretending nobody knows why Russia invaded. No, that's not accurate. There doesn't seem to be any "nobody knows" sentiment, the other responses from cuteboy19 and watwut cover it well. There is no need to throw doubt here. But you're right, in that the surprise is that Russia thought that it would be a good idea.
watwut 5y ago
Yeah, we do. Nato expansion is NOT the reason. > why did we think this was a good idea? I thought it is good idea to join NATO, because then NATO has to help you defend if/when Russia gets expansive again. Or someone else, but realistically it is Russia who is most likely to do it.
- yucky 5y ago
  > Nato expansion is NOT the reason. Ahem - https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/15/the-origins-of-the-ukraine-crisis-and-how-conflict-can-be-avoided/ https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/15/the-origins-of-... This has been widely known for 25 years that it would lead to war. This is also why the Russian border states not threatening to join NATO are not under attack. Only Ukraine. Look at this map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg/1024px-History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Hi... and ask yourself why wouldn't Russia feel this as an evergrowing encroachment by their enemies. Keeping in mind that NATO = US Military.

by yucky 5y ago

cuteboy19 5y ago

The answer is simple: imperialism. Moscow cannot deal with the fact that Ukraine does not want to be vassal state of a dying has been empire

yucky 5y ago
>The answer is simple: imperialism. Who is being imperial though? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg/1024px-History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Hi...

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

> But we need to stop pretending nobody knows why Russia invaded. No, that's not accurate. There doesn't seem to be any "nobody knows" sentiment, the other responses from cuteboy19 and watwut cover it well. There is no need to throw doubt here. But you're right, in that the surprise is that Russia thought that it would be a good idea.

watwut 5y ago

Yeah, we do. Nato expansion is NOT the reason. > why did we think this was a good idea? I thought it is good idea to join NATO, because then NATO has to help you defend if/when Russia gets expansive again. Or someone else, but realistically it is Russia who is most likely to do it.

yucky 5y ago
> Nato expansion is NOT the reason. Ahem - https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/15/the-origins-of-the-ukraine-crisis-and-how-conflict-can-be-avoided/ https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/15/the-origins-of-... This has been widely known for 25 years that it would lead to war. This is also why the Russian border states not threatening to join NATO are not under attack. Only Ukraine. Look at this map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg/1024px-History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Hi... and ask yourself why wouldn't Russia feel this as an evergrowing encroachment by their enemies. Keeping in mind that NATO = US Military.