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you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. this is exactly the type of attitude that exacerbates t

you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. this is exactly the type of attitude that exacerbates the alienation autistics already feel.

twoneurons 5y ago
Autism is not an emotional cycle, it's not a circumstantial state it's a disorder determined by genetics. Either you got the genes, or you don't. Pretty binary.
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  > It's a disorder determined by genetics. This is wildly inaccurate. > Either you got the genes, or you don't. Pretty binary. Even more wildly inaccurate. It's not remotely binary. There is no autism gene or genes. Environmental factors (nurture) still factor heavily. https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/autism-genetics-explained/ https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/autism-genetics-explained/ and a myriad of other articles and research papers one can find by googling "genetics autism."
  - bawolff 5y ago
    > This is wildly inaccurate. "Wildly" might be an overstatement. As your own link says, genetics are a significant (but not the only) factor. I agree the whole binary thing is BS, but i think what the poster was originally trying to dispute is that its all in people's head as an emotional state, which is also clearly very wrong.
  - twoneurons 5y ago
    sure, and if there's half a dozen cases of autism in my family, it's because of what we eat (environment)
- simne 5y ago
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  - bawolff 5y ago
    Umm no. There is a lot of things we don't know about autism. One thing we definitely do know is that it is not caused by vaccines. We know this as this has been well studied due to the whole vaccine conspiracy theory.
- prithvi24 5y ago
  Just had to call out a nuance here - Disorder is an extremely strong word. People living with ASD are not "weird" or "abnormal" in anyway whatsoever, they are just different. As a society, we accept people's genetically predetermined sexual orientation, regardless of whether it represents the majority. ASD is no different, lets avoid calling it a disorder.
  - perardi 5y ago
    To slap down my lived experience: gay and on the spectrum. And the spectrum part is definitely a disorder. It’s a deep-down and profound inability to connect. We are a fundamentally social species, to a fundamental inability to get socialization at a visceral level is pretty disordered.
  - twoneurons 5y ago
    ASD: Autism spectrum disorder Though I agree, in certain aspects is a super-power. In certain aspects it's a hampering disability. Semantics.
  - brigandish 5y ago
    Disorder is a medical term that means an illness that disrupts normal physical or mental functions. This describes autism but not homosexuality (which, I was not aware, has now been declared to be of entirely genetic basis?) Even if they were to both fit the definition, I’m not sure what the objection to the word is.
- BurningFrog 5y ago
  If this is true, where can I read about these specific genes, when and how they were discovered?
- Tao331 5y ago
slibhb 5y ago
> you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. Yes. The reason we have brains is so we can make judgements.
- drewcoo 5y ago
  And the reason we have words is so that you can be told that you're confusing function with design/intent.
  - brigandish 5y ago
    There is no intent nor design of a brain, they are a product of the evolutionary process.
- mnl 5y ago
  I think you have opinions, on the other hand judgements need argumentation. You've simply stated that you object "to people who freely talk about negative experiences" because some other people you like a lot don't do that. That's not a judgement, it's just you expressing your personal preferences. It's not very interesting per se to be completely honest with you.

you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. this is exactly the type of attitude that exacerbates the alienation autistics already feel.

twoneurons 5y ago

Autism is not an emotional cycle, it's not a circumstantial state it's a disorder determined by genetics. Either you got the genes, or you don't. Pretty binary.

KennyBlanken 5y ago
> It's a disorder determined by genetics. This is wildly inaccurate. > Either you got the genes, or you don't. Pretty binary. Even more wildly inaccurate. It's not remotely binary. There is no autism gene or genes. Environmental factors (nurture) still factor heavily. https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/autism-genetics-explained/ https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/autism-genetics-explained/ and a myriad of other articles and research papers one can find by googling "genetics autism."
- bawolff 5y ago
  > This is wildly inaccurate. "Wildly" might be an overstatement. As your own link says, genetics are a significant (but not the only) factor. I agree the whole binary thing is BS, but i think what the poster was originally trying to dispute is that its all in people's head as an emotional state, which is also clearly very wrong.
- twoneurons 5y ago
  sure, and if there's half a dozen cases of autism in my family, it's because of what we eat (environment)
simne 5y ago
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- bawolff 5y ago
  Umm no. There is a lot of things we don't know about autism. One thing we definitely do know is that it is not caused by vaccines. We know this as this has been well studied due to the whole vaccine conspiracy theory.
prithvi24 5y ago
Just had to call out a nuance here - Disorder is an extremely strong word. People living with ASD are not "weird" or "abnormal" in anyway whatsoever, they are just different. As a society, we accept people's genetically predetermined sexual orientation, regardless of whether it represents the majority. ASD is no different, lets avoid calling it a disorder.
- perardi 5y ago
  To slap down my lived experience: gay and on the spectrum. And the spectrum part is definitely a disorder. It’s a deep-down and profound inability to connect. We are a fundamentally social species, to a fundamental inability to get socialization at a visceral level is pretty disordered.
- twoneurons 5y ago
  ASD: Autism spectrum disorder Though I agree, in certain aspects is a super-power. In certain aspects it's a hampering disability. Semantics.
- brigandish 5y ago
  Disorder is a medical term that means an illness that disrupts normal physical or mental functions. This describes autism but not homosexuality (which, I was not aware, has now been declared to be of entirely genetic basis?) Even if they were to both fit the definition, I’m not sure what the objection to the word is.
BurningFrog 5y ago
If this is true, where can I read about these specific genes, when and how they were discovered?
Tao331 5y ago

slibhb 5y ago

> you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. Yes. The reason we have brains is so we can make judgements.

drewcoo 5y ago
And the reason we have words is so that you can be told that you're confusing function with design/intent.
- brigandish 5y ago
  There is no intent nor design of a brain, they are a product of the evolutionary process.
mnl 5y ago
I think you have opinions, on the other hand judgements need argumentation. You've simply stated that you object "to people who freely talk about negative experiences" because some other people you like a lot don't do that. That's not a judgement, it's just you expressing your personal preferences. It's not very interesting per se to be completely honest with you.