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This is typical breakup scenario. Yes getting fired sucks, but it’s probably best in the long run. Wasting an employee’s time in an environment where they’re de
by simulate-me 5y ago
This is typical breakup scenario. Yes getting fired sucks, but it’s probably best in the long run. Wasting an employee’s time in an environment where they’re definitely not going to succeed is not good for anyone.
- markkanof 5y agoThere is an important nuance here in that it assumes that all employers understand that someone being fired can just mean that they weren't a good fit for that particular position. I'm not sure that is universally understood. I would be that most people still look at firing as an indication that the employee is no good. That isn't necessarily correct at all, but unfortunately I do think it's how the majority of people perceive things.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI have some issues with the "fire fast" philosophy, but this is not really one of them. Companies don't generally even divulge that they fired someone when giving a reference. They will say the employee is "not eligible for rehire," which is frequently code for "we fired this person for cause," and is generally interpreted that way. I do wish they would just come out and say that the person was terminated for cause, so others wouldn't have to guess, but that's not even really related to the "fire fast" issue.
- GavinMcG 5y agoResumes have employment dates on them, which will be interpreted long before past employers are asked about anything.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoSo? Just don't list the position if the tenure was too short.
- GavinMcG 5y agoYes, of course. And yet, having a gap on a resume is also something people make judgments about.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoYes, and given that being without employment (really, without income, but those are equivalent for most people) for long enough is literally a life or death situation, you're fully justified in that by lying about it in self defense. If you're privileged enough that not having any income for an extended period isn't a big deal, then, so what? But, if you aren't, lie.
- anothernewdude 5y agoSo don't leave a gap. Do I have to write the .tex for you myself?
- GavinMcG 5y agoApparently. I generally don't include lying in my toolbox.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoYou should. You're at a disadvantage if you don't, because everybody else sure does.
- simulate-me 5y agoYou don't need to lie, but you also don't need to disclose every single thing to your new employer. If you had a short stint at a company, just leave it off. If they ask, just say you took some personal time to figure out what you wanted to do next. I think that's a totally valid description of trying a new job that didn't work out. I know a lot of people who have taken years off for fun. No one questioned it.
- XorNot 5y ago
- WalterBright 5y agoThat's a two way street. An employee who knows he'd be a better fit in some other position should proactively agitate for it, rather than hoping the boss will guess it on his own.
- klyrs 5y agoIf you assume that the breakup is inevitable, yes. Working through issues is another possibility; firing fast misses that opportunity and sacrifices potential loyalty in the process.