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Yep. Power dynamics are a real thing. The relative risk for an employee joining a new company is WAY higher than it is for that company.

BobbyJo 5y ago
Not in software. At least not in the US. I have very little fear of being let go. If it's not a good fit, I'd personally rather spend my time elsewhere.
- 8note 5y ago
  If you're working on a visa, that means you're in rush mode to find a new company and a new visa, otherwise you need to start moving country
- Bud 5y ago
  You left out the vital third part of that, which is "not for you in your particular set of applicable privileges and life circumstances".
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    I believe the post was mostly aimed at employers seeking highly paid, highly skilled, professionals. I was responding in the same vein.
    - jlokier 5y ago
      I believe the thrust of the GP's point is that your position is quite particular to you, as there are plenty of highly-skilled, highly-paid professional software developers, even in the US, who struggle to find good, well-paid work quickly after being laid off, so have legitimate reason to worry about being let go. For example, that may be due to any combination of age, skin colour, geography, ethnicity, visa/citizenship, neurodivergence, gender, family dependents, or other factors outside the person's control, helpfully summarised by the umbrella word "privilege". After all, as is often said here, hiring is broken. It's not enough to be highly skilled.
      - BobbyJo 5y ago
        I was refuting an absolute. I did not intend to posit my own. Obviously, not the case for everyone.
        jlokier 5y ago
        > I was refuting an absolute. I stand corrected, thank you. I had to re-read both your comments carefully to understand them from that perspective. Though you didn't intend to generalise, your refutation can be (and clearly was) parsed as an assertion about a whole category of people not having the high relative risk, rather than a singular counteraxample to say not everyone in the category has that risk. Your followup comment could also be parsed that way, unfortunately. I think what motivated Bud's reply, and then mine because your followed appeared to entrench the position, is that it's common around here for people to talk as though virtually all software professionals are paid well and can easily slide into great new jobs as and when they want to, when really there's a huge "underclass" of software professionals who feel shut out of that nice world.
        BobbyJo 5y ago
        I understand. Sorry if I was unnecessarily curt in the reply. Most of the disagreements I get in replies are reacting to an extrapolation, implication, or association I did not intend to make. > I think what motivated Bud's reply, and then mine because your followed appeared to entrench the position, is that it's common around here for people to talk as though virtually all software professionals are paid well and can easily slide into great new jobs as and when they want to, when really there's a huge "underclass" of software professionals who feel shut out of that nice world. I get it. I was once in a similar boat, so I understand the feeling.

BobbyJo 5y ago

Not in software. At least not in the US. I have very little fear of being let go. If it's not a good fit, I'd personally rather spend my time elsewhere.

8note 5y ago
If you're working on a visa, that means you're in rush mode to find a new company and a new visa, otherwise you need to start moving country
Bud 5y ago
You left out the vital third part of that, which is "not for you in your particular set of applicable privileges and life circumstances".
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  I believe the post was mostly aimed at employers seeking highly paid, highly skilled, professionals. I was responding in the same vein.
  - jlokier 5y ago
    I believe the thrust of the GP's point is that your position is quite particular to you, as there are plenty of highly-skilled, highly-paid professional software developers, even in the US, who struggle to find good, well-paid work quickly after being laid off, so have legitimate reason to worry about being let go. For example, that may be due to any combination of age, skin colour, geography, ethnicity, visa/citizenship, neurodivergence, gender, family dependents, or other factors outside the person's control, helpfully summarised by the umbrella word "privilege". After all, as is often said here, hiring is broken. It's not enough to be highly skilled.
    - BobbyJo 5y ago
      I was refuting an absolute. I did not intend to posit my own. Obviously, not the case for everyone.
      - jlokier 5y ago
        > I was refuting an absolute. I stand corrected, thank you. I had to re-read both your comments carefully to understand them from that perspective. Though you didn't intend to generalise, your refutation can be (and clearly was) parsed as an assertion about a whole category of people not having the high relative risk, rather than a singular counteraxample to say not everyone in the category has that risk. Your followup comment could also be parsed that way, unfortunately. I think what motivated Bud's reply, and then mine because your followed appeared to entrench the position, is that it's common around here for people to talk as though virtually all software professionals are paid well and can easily slide into great new jobs as and when they want to, when really there's a huge "underclass" of software professionals who feel shut out of that nice world.
        BobbyJo 5y ago
        I understand. Sorry if I was unnecessarily curt in the reply. Most of the disagreements I get in replies are reacting to an extrapolation, implication, or association I did not intend to make. > I think what motivated Bud's reply, and then mine because your followed appeared to entrench the position, is that it's common around here for people to talk as though virtually all software professionals are paid well and can easily slide into great new jobs as and when they want to, when really there's a huge "underclass" of software professionals who feel shut out of that nice world. I get it. I was once in a similar boat, so I understand the feeling.