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> Also, when COVID occurred there was little room for teachers to get a say This may have been a positive. The teachers and their unions are only motivated fo

> Also, when COVID occurred there was little room for teachers to get a say This may have been a positive. The teachers and their unions are only motivated for them to stay home and "safe", forever. It's the customers (parents) who need the leverage to get the teachers to actually deliver the service they're getting paid for, rather than trying to hide from their job indefinitely as many would be happy to do. Unions can be important to protect workers' rights, but it's also easy for them to go too far into not even providing the service the job is supposed to do. Particularly in an area with captive customers and government-mandated demand, like education.

jethro_tell 5y ago
- Manuel_D 5y ago
  Risks of dying from covid for those under 65 are extremely low. Those who are also vaccinated, even lower. At this point, it's comparable to the flu.
bdefore 5y ago
This is uncaring towards those working hardest on the challenges of education. Teachers more than those in most occupations are driven by care for their customers - their students. The low pay and hard work drives many of them away. Righteous parents even more.
- bushbaba 5y ago
  Teachers pay can actually be good considering benefits, hours worked, time of, and benefits. There’s hover paying jobs, but also lots of worse career choices
Spivak 5y ago
Yeah, but the job they’re supposed to do is educate not necessarily babysit and covid made that separation front and center in a way that was felt by every parent. There’s lots of “well then maybe that should be their mission” but no one wants to put up the capital for public daycare.
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago
  It's one of the biggest problems of the US. The population craves a high level of government services like in developed European or Asian countries, but isn't willing to pay for them. So instead the government is stuck playing politics to make the budget work instead of actually taking a cost efficiency mindset. Schools double as daycare because taxpayers don't want to pay for actual daycare. Local road construction is subsidized by the federal government despite maintenance being unsustainable. Budgets by the federal government never balance.
  - lr4444lr 5y ago
    What are you talking about? We pay way more per capita to educate kids and give people healthcare in this country than in a lot of other well developed countries where these things are more unified by government directive. Dysfunctionally, of course, but we pay a lot for it.
    - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
      Education spend is in the upper range but still close to other OECD countries [1]. Healthcare is the outlier there [2]. [1]: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd [2]: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/ae3016b9-en/1/3/1/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/ae3016b9-en&_csp_=ca413da5d44587bc56446341952c275e&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book#execsumm-d1e71 https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/ae3016b9-en/1/3/1/index....
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  One of the obvious primary social purposes of public education is free day-care so that both parents can work. People who claim that this isn’t (a major part of) the mission of teachers and schools are just wrong.

jethro_tell 5y ago

Manuel_D 5y ago
Risks of dying from covid for those under 65 are extremely low. Those who are also vaccinated, even lower. At this point, it's comparable to the flu.

bdefore 5y ago

This is uncaring towards those working hardest on the challenges of education. Teachers more than those in most occupations are driven by care for their customers - their students. The low pay and hard work drives many of them away. Righteous parents even more.

bushbaba 5y ago
Teachers pay can actually be good considering benefits, hours worked, time of, and benefits. There’s hover paying jobs, but also lots of worse career choices

Spivak 5y ago

Yeah, but the job they’re supposed to do is educate not necessarily babysit and covid made that separation front and center in a way that was felt by every parent. There’s lots of “well then maybe that should be their mission” but no one wants to put up the capital for public daycare.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago
It's one of the biggest problems of the US. The population craves a high level of government services like in developed European or Asian countries, but isn't willing to pay for them. So instead the government is stuck playing politics to make the budget work instead of actually taking a cost efficiency mindset. Schools double as daycare because taxpayers don't want to pay for actual daycare. Local road construction is subsidized by the federal government despite maintenance being unsustainable. Budgets by the federal government never balance.
- lr4444lr 5y ago
  What are you talking about? We pay way more per capita to educate kids and give people healthcare in this country than in a lot of other well developed countries where these things are more unified by government directive. Dysfunctionally, of course, but we pay a lot for it.
  - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
    Education spend is in the upper range but still close to other OECD countries [1]. Healthcare is the outlier there [2]. [1]: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd [2]: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/ae3016b9-en/1/3/1/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/ae3016b9-en&_csp_=ca413da5d44587bc56446341952c275e&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book#execsumm-d1e71 https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/ae3016b9-en/1/3/1/index....
School-Cotton 5y ago
One of the obvious primary social purposes of public education is free day-care so that both parents can work. People who claim that this isn’t (a major part of) the mission of teachers and schools are just wrong.