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I'm not sure how modulation could have an effect, but there certainly were studies that used modulated signals: > The studies used 2G and 3G frequencies and mo

I'm not sure how modulation could have an effect, but there certainly were studies that used modulated signals: > The studies used 2G and 3G frequencies and modulations still used in voice calls and texting in the United States https://www.niehs.nih.gov/news/newsroom/releases/2018/february2/index.cfm https://www.niehs.nih.gov/news/newsroom/releases/2018/februa...

ncmncm 5y ago
Being unsure is better, anyway, than feeling sure of something false.
- alexvoda 5y ago
  Of course. "Being unsure (about the roundness of the earth, about the age of the world, about the origin of humans, about who built the pyramids, etc.) is better, anyway, than feeling sure of something false." The burden of proof is still on the one claming the existence of something.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    The burden of proof is on the person claiming a thing, existence or no. Insisting something does not happen, in the total absence of evidence, is exactly as wrong as claiming it does happen. Knowing there is no much evidence, it is absolutely dishonest to make the claim. The honest statement is that nobody knows.
    - alexvoda 5y ago
      Very well, in that case, since there isn't much evidence, the honest claim is that you do not exist. For all I know, I am a brain in a vat and you are just a figment of my imagination. Playing the solipsism game does not make for a productive conversation.
Gnarl 5y ago
@sobriquet9 "I'm not sure how modulation could have an effect". Look up voltage-gated ion-channels in cell-membranes. Good starting point: https://www.spandidos-publications.com/ijo/59/5/92 https://www.spandidos-publications.com/ijo/59/5/92
- sobriquet9 5y ago
  The linked article shows biological effects of low frequency electromagnetic fields, then argues that cell phone signals contain low frequency components "in the form of on/off pulsations, modulation, and signal variability". But cell phones cannot really transmit at low frequencies because their antennas are too small compared to the wavelength. That's why they use high frequency carrier and modulate it. If you look at the spectrum of the transmitted signal, there's almost nothing at the low end. For this effect to exist, something in the living cells need to rectify the high-frequency radio signal. I wonder what it is. There are no semiconductors or p-n junctions inside the cells. There are bug detectors that work by using this principle, and they are not triggered by living tissue.

ncmncm 5y ago

Being unsure is better, anyway, than feeling sure of something false.

alexvoda 5y ago
Of course. "Being unsure (about the roundness of the earth, about the age of the world, about the origin of humans, about who built the pyramids, etc.) is better, anyway, than feeling sure of something false." The burden of proof is still on the one claming the existence of something.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  The burden of proof is on the person claiming a thing, existence or no. Insisting something does not happen, in the total absence of evidence, is exactly as wrong as claiming it does happen. Knowing there is no much evidence, it is absolutely dishonest to make the claim. The honest statement is that nobody knows.
  - alexvoda 5y ago
    Very well, in that case, since there isn't much evidence, the honest claim is that you do not exist. For all I know, I am a brain in a vat and you are just a figment of my imagination. Playing the solipsism game does not make for a productive conversation.

Gnarl 5y ago

@sobriquet9 "I'm not sure how modulation could have an effect". Look up voltage-gated ion-channels in cell-membranes. Good starting point: https://www.spandidos-publications.com/ijo/59/5/92 https://www.spandidos-publications.com/ijo/59/5/92

sobriquet9 5y ago
The linked article shows biological effects of low frequency electromagnetic fields, then argues that cell phone signals contain low frequency components "in the form of on/off pulsations, modulation, and signal variability". But cell phones cannot really transmit at low frequencies because their antennas are too small compared to the wavelength. That's why they use high frequency carrier and modulate it. If you look at the spectrum of the transmitted signal, there's almost nothing at the low end. For this effect to exist, something in the living cells need to rectify the high-frequency radio signal. I wonder what it is. There are no semiconductors or p-n junctions inside the cells. There are bug detectors that work by using this principle, and they are not triggered by living tissue.