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I think most people who are making counterarguments to Mearsheimer et al are not ignoring or dismissing realism, they are pointing out the limitations and flaws
by LichenStone 5y ago
I think most people who are making counterarguments to Mearsheimer et al are not ignoring or dismissing realism, they are pointing out the limitations and flaws with its predictive powers and usefulness for determining 'optimal' policies.
> People want realism to be a theory of how the world actually works, a theory of how the world should work, and a theory of what should we do given how the world works, all at the same time.
In terms of presenting an accurate model realism is only as good as the analysis you put into it, and unless you have a very advanced computer simulation of the world you can't test these models for what exactly will happen and when. Sometimes your prediction will be reasonably accurate and sometimes it won't, and hindsight bias will play tricks.
And as for its usefulness for deciding what we should do there seems to be little provision for the role of ideology, ethics, a sense of honour etc, i.e. what kind of world people would like to live in. Those factors are critical not just for making a model of current and future realities, but are of course essential for figuring out how we want to shape our world. A purely utilitarian view just aiming to minimise war and death might permit a more highly autocratic and repressive world, which could be at odds with many people's view of meaning and personal or collective destiny. An example of such a destiny would be the Ukrainian people's desire to live in a democractic Western-aligned state, and the West's desire to support them in this goal.
- newbamboo 5y agoSure, the neo-cons are right to criticize realist frameworks on those grounds; the importance of moral imperatives, importance of soft power and other cultural factors, etc…. The neo-cons sure to get us into a lot of foreign entanglements so they aren’t perfect either. It’s good to have more perspectives, more voices at the table was my point.
- LichenStone 5y agoYou don't have to be a neoconservative to criticise realism, just speaking for myself I wouldn't fit into the definition of one. Using expressions of particular opinions to demonstrate that people belong to a more general class is usually a bad idea.
- newbamboo 5y agoI am not demonstrating anything. I am saying the argument you make is the distinguishing feature of neo-conservative foreign policy- viz the importance of value judgements about the sort of world we want to live in. I would add also that neo-cons generally do not self identify. They see themselves as defending liberalism and protecting people from tyranny. You may or may not fall into that camp, but you are carrying their water for them here in the rhetorical sphere, whether you understand that or not.