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+1 for plain-text for all the points you mention, particularly "data-first with tools on top". But why reinvent the wheel when the org-mode format is well estab

+1 for plain-text for all the points you mention, particularly "data-first with tools on top". But why reinvent the wheel when the org-mode format is well established and does everything you want, and more? There are an increasing number of tools using org-mode as a plain-text data store, so you are more likely to be able to participate in a tool ecosystem. In addition to my own https://braintool.org https://braintool.org see the list below. BrainTool (mainly a bookmark manager) has an elemental to-do system, I'd love to have my users be able to use your tool for todos. NB see also Karl Voit's push for org markup awareness outside of Emacs via Orgdown: https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown. ------ ORG-MODE TOOLS OUTSIDE EMACS https://plainorg.com https://plainorg.com https://flathabits.com https://flathabits.com https://beorg.app https://beorg.app https://braintool.org https://braintool.org https://easyorgmode.com https://easyorgmode.com https://logseq.com https://logseq.com https://organice.200ok.ch https://organice.200ok.ch https://orgro.org https://orgro.org http://orgzly.com http://orgzly.com

greggman3 5y ago
Funny that all the phone versions have a hard coded UI. Isn't the point that org mode is just plain text so it's more free from? I currently use google keep. I'm not recommending it but to some extent I can use at as just a collection of synced text files.
- MichaelDickens 5y ago
  The only phone version I've used is beorg, but beorg lets you directly edit the plaintext if you want to. I usually don't because the hard coded UI is pretty convenient.
- xenodium 5y ago
  <insert “porque no los dos?” meme here> A mobile-friendly interface that enables jotting things down quickly while on the go… (coincidentally, fully typing “- [ ] remember the milk” is clunky on mobile, switching keyboard, etc). Also powered by plain text, so you can drop down to the details whenever you want to (including your mobile) with all the portability associated with it. disclosure: I wrote https://plainorg.com https://plainorg.com and https://flathabits.com https://flathabits.com because I wanted a frictionless mobile experience without giving up on org markup (plain text).
  - KennyBlanken 5y ago
    Thank you. Every time I come across some "plaintext" enthusiast who refuses to acknowledge that mobile devices are not conducive to free-form text editing of structured text files, I want to punch them in the face. Mobile devices require context-aware, guided data entry/editing interfaces.
    - greggman3 5y ago
      I beg to differ. I find google keep / apple notes to be much more useful in mobile precisely because they are free from. I can enter lists , notes, phone numbers , links, all in the same document and usually get far more info on the screen. Conversely every fixed ux tool I've used for this fails miserably because too little data since it's wasted by ux and small non freeform fields in widget that have limited space. Further, I can easily cut/copy/paste large sections across documents where as in most fixed ux apps I'd at best only be able to move one item at a time and at worst have to manually copy each field from each widget to each field in another widget
  - boundlessdreamz 5y ago
    These look great! Pity that it is iOS only since I use a Pixel. How did you create the videos at the top of the page? It's very well done
    - xenodium 5y ago
      > How did you create the videos at the top of the page? It's very well done Thanks. Unexpectedly, Keynote. I followed a tutorial I bookmarked from HN ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18805222 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18805222
      - boundlessdreamz 5y ago
        Thanks! I had seen that post and promptly forgot about it :facepalm:
- amake 5y ago
  (Author of Orgro here) Orgro displays the file as "rich" text, so it is not a "hard-coded" UI; it's much closer to viewing the file as you would in Emacs. That said, it is definitely lacking compared to Emacs: it's a viewer only and mostly doesn't interpret the file contents; you can't execute code blocks, etc.
barankilic 5y ago
Isn't org-mode tied to emacs? Also, does it have a specification? I searched for a specification and found this (https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html) and couldn't understand whether it is a proper spec. Without a well-defined spec, it becomes very hard to create tooling around it. For example, Markdown was using Perl scripts initially and didn't have a spec for some time.
- MichaelDickens 5y ago
  org-mode does not have a spec. Its Emacs implementation is the canonical implementation. But org-mode is still just plaintext, and you can read org-mode files using any plaintext editor.
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  - afarviral 5y ago
    Yeah but its difficult to look at and read as purely plain text, unlike markdown. And since the power-features of org arent available in your editor(s) (unless you use Emacs) it isn't tenable. I'm convinced Emacs users are blind to this given the seemless rendering done by Emacs. There's room for a new spec.
    - tconfrey 5y ago
      Obviously I'm biased since I built BrainTool because of my emacs/org use, but I also use markdowns and maintain the braintool.org blog on github in their markdown. I don't find it more readable. Maybe it's a familiarity thing, anything specific you dislike? Anyway here's the definitive argument for org as markup of choice: https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/ https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/ It would for sure be nice to have a definitive spec to point to, independent of the emacs ecosystem. BTW see below the first few lines of my dev-log.org file for yesterday. I think its pretty readable! * <2022-03-30 Wed> ** DONE Today [83%] - [X] Call w alex - [X] Exercise - [X] instructions to Alex - [X] letter to Deignan - [X] taxes - [ ] styling for notes col ** DONE bug narrow edit card shows item under bullet which is confusing. :dev:099: ** DONE get rid of link in welcome topic, too confusing :dev:099: ** Instructions for running BrainTool locally: 1) Make sure you have git installed. (https://git-scm.com/download/mac) 2) Make a folder where you want to put the code
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kesslern 5y ago
> org-mode format is well established Is there a formal specification or documentation on the format? When I've previously read about integrating org-mode support in other threads, the lack of specification outside of "whatever org-mode does" was the biggest blocker.
- qudat 5y ago
  I’ve never used org-mode but have heard enough about it to be intrigued. If there’s no spec and it’s “whatever the emacs implementation is” then I think there is plenty of room for a plaintext alternative.
- yashasolutions 5y ago
  https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html
kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
Is there anything that isn't Orgzly for Android? I found the app very finicky from my basic usage and very difficult to use.

greggman3 5y ago

Funny that all the phone versions have a hard coded UI. Isn't the point that org mode is just plain text so it's more free from? I currently use google keep. I'm not recommending it but to some extent I can use at as just a collection of synced text files.

MichaelDickens 5y ago
The only phone version I've used is beorg, but beorg lets you directly edit the plaintext if you want to. I usually don't because the hard coded UI is pretty convenient.
xenodium 5y ago
<insert “porque no los dos?” meme here> A mobile-friendly interface that enables jotting things down quickly while on the go… (coincidentally, fully typing “- [ ] remember the milk” is clunky on mobile, switching keyboard, etc). Also powered by plain text, so you can drop down to the details whenever you want to (including your mobile) with all the portability associated with it. disclosure: I wrote https://plainorg.com https://plainorg.com and https://flathabits.com https://flathabits.com because I wanted a frictionless mobile experience without giving up on org markup (plain text).
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  Thank you. Every time I come across some "plaintext" enthusiast who refuses to acknowledge that mobile devices are not conducive to free-form text editing of structured text files, I want to punch them in the face. Mobile devices require context-aware, guided data entry/editing interfaces.
  - greggman3 5y ago
    I beg to differ. I find google keep / apple notes to be much more useful in mobile precisely because they are free from. I can enter lists , notes, phone numbers , links, all in the same document and usually get far more info on the screen. Conversely every fixed ux tool I've used for this fails miserably because too little data since it's wasted by ux and small non freeform fields in widget that have limited space. Further, I can easily cut/copy/paste large sections across documents where as in most fixed ux apps I'd at best only be able to move one item at a time and at worst have to manually copy each field from each widget to each field in another widget
- boundlessdreamz 5y ago
  These look great! Pity that it is iOS only since I use a Pixel. How did you create the videos at the top of the page? It's very well done
  - xenodium 5y ago
    > How did you create the videos at the top of the page? It's very well done Thanks. Unexpectedly, Keynote. I followed a tutorial I bookmarked from HN ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18805222 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18805222
    - boundlessdreamz 5y ago
      Thanks! I had seen that post and promptly forgot about it :facepalm:
amake 5y ago
(Author of Orgro here) Orgro displays the file as "rich" text, so it is not a "hard-coded" UI; it's much closer to viewing the file as you would in Emacs. That said, it is definitely lacking compared to Emacs: it's a viewer only and mostly doesn't interpret the file contents; you can't execute code blocks, etc.

barankilic 5y ago

Isn't org-mode tied to emacs? Also, does it have a specification? I searched for a specification and found this (https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html) and couldn't understand whether it is a proper spec. Without a well-defined spec, it becomes very hard to create tooling around it. For example, Markdown was using Perl scripts initially and didn't have a spec for some time.

MichaelDickens 5y ago
org-mode does not have a spec. Its Emacs implementation is the canonical implementation. But org-mode is still just plaintext, and you can read org-mode files using any plaintext editor.
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- afarviral 5y ago
  Yeah but its difficult to look at and read as purely plain text, unlike markdown. And since the power-features of org arent available in your editor(s) (unless you use Emacs) it isn't tenable. I'm convinced Emacs users are blind to this given the seemless rendering done by Emacs. There's room for a new spec.
  - tconfrey 5y ago
    Obviously I'm biased since I built BrainTool because of my emacs/org use, but I also use markdowns and maintain the braintool.org blog on github in their markdown. I don't find it more readable. Maybe it's a familiarity thing, anything specific you dislike? Anyway here's the definitive argument for org as markup of choice: https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/ https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/ It would for sure be nice to have a definitive spec to point to, independent of the emacs ecosystem. BTW see below the first few lines of my dev-log.org file for yesterday. I think its pretty readable! * <2022-03-30 Wed> ** DONE Today [83%] - [X] Call w alex - [X] Exercise - [X] instructions to Alex - [X] letter to Deignan - [X] taxes - [ ] styling for notes col ** DONE bug narrow edit card shows item under bullet which is confusing. :dev:099: ** DONE get rid of link in welcome topic, too confusing :dev:099: ** Instructions for running BrainTool locally: 1) Make sure you have git installed. (https://git-scm.com/download/mac) 2) Make a folder where you want to put the code

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kesslern 5y ago

> org-mode format is well established Is there a formal specification or documentation on the format? When I've previously read about integrating org-mode support in other threads, the lack of specification outside of "whatever org-mode does" was the biggest blocker.

qudat 5y ago
I’ve never used org-mode but have heard enough about it to be intrigued. If there’s no spec and it’s “whatever the emacs implementation is” then I think there is plenty of room for a plaintext alternative.
yashasolutions 5y ago
https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html

kaladin-jasnah 5y ago

Is there anything that isn't Orgzly for Android? I found the app very finicky from my basic usage and very difficult to use.