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The report was commissioned by content providers so I suspect the truth lies somewhere between. Still, at least with my phone I have my choice of carriers and

The report was commissioned by content providers so I suspect the truth lies somewhere between. Still, at least with my phone I have my choice of carriers and will be switching from AT&T to Verizon this month. I don't have that same choice in choosing a "high speed" ISP... I wish some comcast competition would move into town, the consumer might end up with a better quality product.

irons 15y ago
The truth doesn't have to lie somewhere in between. Look at the last paragraph: Even for ISPs running their own network, such as BT, [ISP CTO] Davies claims the figures of €0.01-0.03 per GB are "rubbish". "It's an order of magnitude greater than that," he claimed. This is coming from a guy claiming that the "existing smartphone data tariffs of around €10 per GB" are too low. They're profit-seeking, and relying on their regulators to be as bad at math as they are.
- click170 15y ago
  The problem, at least in Canada, isn't that the CRTC is bad at math, it's that almost all of the people making decisions used to be executives for the ISP and or Telecoms industry.
rndmize 15y ago
Not sure how that'd be possible; wouldn't a competitor have to run cable of some type to the homes? Its hard to compete when your competitor has all their infrastructure down and you have to build yours from scratch.
nitrogen 15y ago
...the truth lies somewhere between. This is a dangerous fallacy exploited by entities like giant ISPs and the MPAA to push debate toward their desired outcomes. If everyone believes that "the truth lies somewhere between," then all an extreme actor needs to do is argue for extreme position A against the status quo B, and public opinion (and political discourse) automatically shifts to (A+B)/2 every time the extreme actor raises the issue. In reality, the truth may be exactly B, but because of a well-intentioned but fallacious desire to compromise, opinion and policy are skewed away from the truth. The classic example of this fallacy is this: "Some say the sun rises in the east. Some say it rises in the west. The truth must lie somewhere between." https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Argument_to_moderation https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Argument_to_m... https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Overton_Window_Theory https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Overton_Windo...

irons 15y ago

The truth doesn't have to lie somewhere in between. Look at the last paragraph: Even for ISPs running their own network, such as BT, [ISP CTO] Davies claims the figures of €0.01-0.03 per GB are "rubbish". "It's an order of magnitude greater than that," he claimed. This is coming from a guy claiming that the "existing smartphone data tariffs of around €10 per GB" are too low. They're profit-seeking, and relying on their regulators to be as bad at math as they are.

click170 15y ago
The problem, at least in Canada, isn't that the CRTC is bad at math, it's that almost all of the people making decisions used to be executives for the ISP and or Telecoms industry.

rndmize 15y ago

Not sure how that'd be possible; wouldn't a competitor have to run cable of some type to the homes? Its hard to compete when your competitor has all their infrastructure down and you have to build yours from scratch.

nitrogen 15y ago

...the truth lies somewhere between. This is a dangerous fallacy exploited by entities like giant ISPs and the MPAA to push debate toward their desired outcomes. If everyone believes that "the truth lies somewhere between," then all an extreme actor needs to do is argue for extreme position A against the status quo B, and public opinion (and political discourse) automatically shifts to (A+B)/2 every time the extreme actor raises the issue. In reality, the truth may be exactly B, but because of a well-intentioned but fallacious desire to compromise, opinion and policy are skewed away from the truth. The classic example of this fallacy is this: "Some say the sun rises in the east. Some say it rises in the west. The truth must lie somewhere between." https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Argument_to_moderation https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Argument_to_m... https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Overton_Window_Theory https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Overton_Windo...