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The US almost started global thermonuclear war because the Soviet Union allied itself with Cuba. What you're talking about is a fantasy world that only exists i

by typon 5y ago

The US almost started global thermonuclear war because the Soviet Union allied itself with Cuba. What you're talking about is a fantasy world that only exists in the mind of liberals. Down here in the real world, major powers exert dominance over their neighbours and want to protect their sphere of influence.

watwut 5y ago
> major powers exert dominance over their neighbours and want to protect their sphere of influence. How does that exclude Russia trying to annex Ukraine regardless of whether NATO expanded or not? Russia is power exerting dominance over their neighbors whenever it can. Nato expanding or not is just creating difference in terms of how far and where those wars will be - the countries no in NATO are more likely to be attacked by Russia. The Russia as purely reactive state with no own ambitions is the fantasy. That is major fault in Mearsheimer’s nonsense theory. This is nothing to do with liberals or right wing Russian fanboys. I dont know whether it is psychological need to have everything about you. Or whether it is psychological difficulty to imagine other countries (Russia, Ukraine) as real ones. But either way, attempt to explain last decades in Russia purely by other countries joining Nato is absurd.
- blub 5y ago
  The theory doesn’t claim that Russia is a purely reactive state, that’a a nonsense interpretation if I may use your own words. It claims that when certain things happen, they are forced to react. E.g. regime change in a neighbor that’s typically not NATO-friendly that suddenly starts training with NATO with the hope of joining someday.
TheCoelacanth 5y ago
> The US almost started global thermonuclear war because the Soviet Union allied itself with Cuba Uh, no. That was because the Soviet Union attempted to station nuclear weapons in Cuba, not simply because they formed an alliance.
- blub 5y ago
  The US already had nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey and launched a failed coup in Cuba, which then asked the USSR to deploy nuclear missiles in their country.

by typon 5y ago

watwut 5y ago

> major powers exert dominance over their neighbours and want to protect their sphere of influence. How does that exclude Russia trying to annex Ukraine regardless of whether NATO expanded or not? Russia is power exerting dominance over their neighbors whenever it can. Nato expanding or not is just creating difference in terms of how far and where those wars will be - the countries no in NATO are more likely to be attacked by Russia. The Russia as purely reactive state with no own ambitions is the fantasy. That is major fault in Mearsheimer’s nonsense theory. This is nothing to do with liberals or right wing Russian fanboys. I dont know whether it is psychological need to have everything about you. Or whether it is psychological difficulty to imagine other countries (Russia, Ukraine) as real ones. But either way, attempt to explain last decades in Russia purely by other countries joining Nato is absurd.

blub 5y ago
The theory doesn’t claim that Russia is a purely reactive state, that’a a nonsense interpretation if I may use your own words. It claims that when certain things happen, they are forced to react. E.g. regime change in a neighbor that’s typically not NATO-friendly that suddenly starts training with NATO with the hope of joining someday.

TheCoelacanth 5y ago

> The US almost started global thermonuclear war because the Soviet Union allied itself with Cuba Uh, no. That was because the Soviet Union attempted to station nuclear weapons in Cuba, not simply because they formed an alliance.

blub 5y ago
The US already had nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey and launched a failed coup in Cuba, which then asked the USSR to deploy nuclear missiles in their country.