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I do not understand the distinction you're making in the second paragraph.

rob74 5y ago
Maybe it's just me, but "missing your turn" sounds more like a situation from a board game, where players take turns to move and for some reason you missed your turn. While in a navigation channel, it's not "your" turn because the turn in the channel is the same for every ship that passes through. Sorry if I'm too nitpicky ;)
- jdmichal 5y ago
  Eh, it's pretty analogous to the phrase "I missed my exit." There's temporal and intentional elements in addition to the spacial one you're referencing, which makes it "my exit" as opposed to just "an exit".
  - rob74 5y ago
    Well yeah, but still, "my exit" usually refers to the exit where you live, or at least where you want to go to, while a turn is something everybody driving along the road has to take. Of course, if you fail to take the turn and crash your car, then you may or may not refer to it as "my turn" in the future, but until then, it's usually not that special to you. But now I'm really overthinking it ;)
- smitty1e 5y ago
  I have not been on the bridge of a merchant vessel. But on a warship, there is a navigation brief, and the people involved in the transit gather to walk thorough the whole evolution. Every single turn is discussed and visualized. No matter how boring and routine the transit. "We are on this course at this speed for this long. We are shooting this navigation aid from the pelorus. We put on this much rudder for this much time to come to this course. We have shoal water off the starboard bow here. The channel does this." And so forth. Even on a merchant vessel, which has an order of magnitude less crew than a warship, the COLREGS[1] will tell you that "Thou Shalt Not Jack It Up". The costs of screwing it up, in an RMF[2] vein, are astronomical. Hence my skepticism at the newsreader glibly stating that the vessel "missed her turn". These media people can spaz out for days over an apparent 9 hour gap on an official phone record with zero real-world effects. Now, how about committing an act of journalism and getting a preliminary reading. Did the helmsman have a seizure and throw the rudder over? What? [1] https://www.imo.org/en/About/Conventions/Pages/COLREG.aspx https://www.imo.org/en/About/Conventions/Pages/COLREG.aspx [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_Management_Framework https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_Management_Framework

Maybe it's just me, but "missing your turn" sounds more like a situation from a board game, where players take turns to move and for some reason you missed your turn. While in a navigation channel, it's not "your" turn because the turn in the channel is the same for every ship that passes through. Sorry if I'm too nitpicky ;)

jdmichal 5y ago
Eh, it's pretty analogous to the phrase "I missed my exit." There's temporal and intentional elements in addition to the spacial one you're referencing, which makes it "my exit" as opposed to just "an exit".
- rob74 5y ago
  Well yeah, but still, "my exit" usually refers to the exit where you live, or at least where you want to go to, while a turn is something everybody driving along the road has to take. Of course, if you fail to take the turn and crash your car, then you may or may not refer to it as "my turn" in the future, but until then, it's usually not that special to you. But now I'm really overthinking it ;)
smitty1e 5y ago
I have not been on the bridge of a merchant vessel. But on a warship, there is a navigation brief, and the people involved in the transit gather to walk thorough the whole evolution. Every single turn is discussed and visualized. No matter how boring and routine the transit. "We are on this course at this speed for this long. We are shooting this navigation aid from the pelorus. We put on this much rudder for this much time to come to this course. We have shoal water off the starboard bow here. The channel does this." And so forth. Even on a merchant vessel, which has an order of magnitude less crew than a warship, the COLREGS[1] will tell you that "Thou Shalt Not Jack It Up". The costs of screwing it up, in an RMF[2] vein, are astronomical. Hence my skepticism at the newsreader glibly stating that the vessel "missed her turn". These media people can spaz out for days over an apparent 9 hour gap on an official phone record with zero real-world effects. Now, how about committing an act of journalism and getting a preliminary reading. Did the helmsman have a seizure and throw the rudder over? What? [1] https://www.imo.org/en/About/Conventions/Pages/COLREG.aspx https://www.imo.org/en/About/Conventions/Pages/COLREG.aspx [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_Management_Framework https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_Management_Framework