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Just like how speed limits necessitate the arrest of everyone who drives.

michaelscott 5y ago
...over the speed limit, yes. The point of parent's post is that the offensive nature of a statement or speech in general is subjective and can change with whims and the time. A speed limit is objective and quantifiable; if you go over the speed limit stated you get fined, there's no room for interpretation
- Pyramus 5y ago
  Speed limits are not objective at all - Germany infamously does not have speed limits on highways. And yes, speed limit laws, do change over time. And no, you can't be punished for having broken a speed limit in the past, that is not in effect today. Parent's comparison seems rather apt.
  - hervature 5y ago
    They obviously meant speed is quantifiable. You can measure speed and say "you violated the limit".
    - Pyramus 5y ago
      Yes, but it doesn't strengthen the argument. If society A says the speed limit is X and society B it's Y and society C it's infinite. What's the point that speed is objectively measurable?
      - hervature 5y ago
        That making a rule even makes sense. It is not an argument as to what amount is sensible, just that "amount" is sensible.
      - refurb 5y ago
        You’re missing the point. Society A and society B won’t disagree on whether something is moving at 150km/hr.
        endominus 5y ago
        Well, they might if a physicist gets involved and starts complaining that no one has defined their point of reference.
tored 5y ago
Your comparison would be true if the speed limit differentiated on the intent on the speeder, e.g. person A can drive over the speed limit but not person B because person B has the wrong intent.
- linschn 5y ago
  Ambulance, firefighters, etc.
  - tored 5y ago
    They can do that because of regulation, not intent. It is more like this, person A is in a hurry and is allowed to drive over the speed limit because person A is good person, but person B, who also is in a hurry, is a scumbag and therefore person B is not allowed to drive over the speed limit. It is very similar to how woke culture works.
- iso1631 5y ago
  In the UK it does. If you are speeding because you are an appropriately trained person performing emergency response duties then it's not illegal.
  - tored 5y ago
    It is not comparable, see this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30877026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30877026
refurb 5y ago
We can objectively measure speed. Please detail how we can objectively measure “offense”.

...over the speed limit, yes. The point of parent's post is that the offensive nature of a statement or speech in general is subjective and can change with whims and the time. A speed limit is objective and quantifiable; if you go over the speed limit stated you get fined, there's no room for interpretation

Pyramus 5y ago
Speed limits are not objective at all - Germany infamously does not have speed limits on highways. And yes, speed limit laws, do change over time. And no, you can't be punished for having broken a speed limit in the past, that is not in effect today. Parent's comparison seems rather apt.
- hervature 5y ago
  They obviously meant speed is quantifiable. You can measure speed and say "you violated the limit".
  - Pyramus 5y ago
    Yes, but it doesn't strengthen the argument. If society A says the speed limit is X and society B it's Y and society C it's infinite. What's the point that speed is objectively measurable?
    - hervature 5y ago
      That making a rule even makes sense. It is not an argument as to what amount is sensible, just that "amount" is sensible.
    - refurb 5y ago
      You’re missing the point. Society A and society B won’t disagree on whether something is moving at 150km/hr.
      - endominus 5y ago
        Well, they might if a physicist gets involved and starts complaining that no one has defined their point of reference.

tored 5y ago

Your comparison would be true if the speed limit differentiated on the intent on the speeder, e.g. person A can drive over the speed limit but not person B because person B has the wrong intent.

linschn 5y ago
Ambulance, firefighters, etc.
- tored 5y ago
  They can do that because of regulation, not intent. It is more like this, person A is in a hurry and is allowed to drive over the speed limit because person A is good person, but person B, who also is in a hurry, is a scumbag and therefore person B is not allowed to drive over the speed limit. It is very similar to how woke culture works.
iso1631 5y ago
In the UK it does. If you are speeding because you are an appropriately trained person performing emergency response duties then it's not illegal.
- tored 5y ago
  It is not comparable, see this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30877026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30877026

refurb 5y ago

We can objectively measure speed. Please detail how we can objectively measure “offense”.