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The problem is that that is never, ever, where it stops. There's always people that society suddenly decides are "really important", usually the most dumb-witte

The problem is that that is never, ever, where it stops. There's always people that society suddenly decides are "really important", usually the most dumb-witted, cruel abusers you can come up with. And of course, the rules don't apply to them. Just look at the president of France, if you want to see a particularly bad fuckup. He, and his wife, have confessed, publicly, on TV, repeatedly to having a paedophilic relationship, where she abused her job to fuck children (she was even cheating on her husband doing it). He was 15, she was 40 years old at the time. Not only have they not been sued (in France, both would be punished) Needless to say, a whole bunch of people were sued for stating this during the campaign, as well as for a bunch of other negative things they said about him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Macron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Macron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron#Personal_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron#Personal_life

ttybird2 5y ago
The linked article say that they met when he was 15 and that they became a couple when he was 18. "in France, both would be punished" It seems absurd to me that both the victim and the abuser would be punished. Do you have any source for this?
onion2k 5y ago
a whole bunch of people were sued for stating this during the campaign The burden of proof for libel action is very different to the burden of proof for criminal liability. It's the difference between civil and criminal law - they're worlds apart. You can't really compare the two, despite them both being based around the act of writing something on the internet. Posting something potentially libellous on Twitter won't get you convicted of a crime, but it absolutely could get you sued.
- candiodari 5y ago
  They both said on TV they fucked when he was 15/16, and while she was in a power relationship over him (as his French teacher). Pointing out there might be a problem with that doesn't violate libel laws for a whole host of reasons. Likewise, public confessions satisfy the standard of proof for criminal liability. If you say "I'm glad I killed this guy" next to what looks like a corpse with 100 people watching, you can be convicted of murder without the police so much as checking it's indeed a corpse, based on testimony (does not even need to be direct testimony, done in court, it can be a police officer saying one of the hundred confirmed this to them) of one person. If you say it on TV, well the laws on this predate TVs, I'm sure it will work the same. And, technically, since he was a minor, French law says the public prosecutor HAS to sue the adult (ie. her), no choice. Don't you love "someone think of the children" laws? Needless to say, this didn't happen.
Fradow 5y ago
> He was 15, she was 40 years old at the time. Not only have they not been sued (in France, both would be punished) That's not quite as clear cut as you put it. Sexual majority is 15 years old in France. Now, since she was his teacher, it could be argued that it was not a consensual relationship (if there even was an actual act, I don't pretend to know), but that would be something for courts to decide. In short, this is a terrible example of your point. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majorit%C3%A9_sexuelle_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majorit%C3%A9_sexuelle_en_Fran...
kleene_op 5y ago
People digging up old stories on Macron's and his wife are anything but concerned about helping justice. They're only interested in proving Macron was abused by his wife so she can get convicted and then he (the victim!) gets hit as a side effect. People doing that kind crap have no limit to how low they're willing to drop their common decency to promote their shitty political agenda: They spread their lies over social networks, alienate the debate with inane affairs and waste valuable resources from the judicial system. I'm glad those idiots are getting sued.
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sacrosancty 5y ago
I wish people would stop misusing the word pedophilia. Most normal adults can be sexually attracted to 15 year olds. Pedophilia is something completely different.

ttybird2 5y ago

The linked article say that they met when he was 15 and that they became a couple when he was 18. "in France, both would be punished" It seems absurd to me that both the victim and the abuser would be punished. Do you have any source for this?

onion2k 5y ago

a whole bunch of people were sued for stating this during the campaign The burden of proof for libel action is very different to the burden of proof for criminal liability. It's the difference between civil and criminal law - they're worlds apart. You can't really compare the two, despite them both being based around the act of writing something on the internet. Posting something potentially libellous on Twitter won't get you convicted of a crime, but it absolutely could get you sued.

candiodari 5y ago
They both said on TV they fucked when he was 15/16, and while she was in a power relationship over him (as his French teacher). Pointing out there might be a problem with that doesn't violate libel laws for a whole host of reasons. Likewise, public confessions satisfy the standard of proof for criminal liability. If you say "I'm glad I killed this guy" next to what looks like a corpse with 100 people watching, you can be convicted of murder without the police so much as checking it's indeed a corpse, based on testimony (does not even need to be direct testimony, done in court, it can be a police officer saying one of the hundred confirmed this to them) of one person. If you say it on TV, well the laws on this predate TVs, I'm sure it will work the same. And, technically, since he was a minor, French law says the public prosecutor HAS to sue the adult (ie. her), no choice. Don't you love "someone think of the children" laws? Needless to say, this didn't happen.

Fradow 5y ago

> He was 15, she was 40 years old at the time. Not only have they not been sued (in France, both would be punished) That's not quite as clear cut as you put it. Sexual majority is 15 years old in France. Now, since she was his teacher, it could be argued that it was not a consensual relationship (if there even was an actual act, I don't pretend to know), but that would be something for courts to decide. In short, this is a terrible example of your point. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majorit%C3%A9_sexuelle_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majorit%C3%A9_sexuelle_en_Fran...

kleene_op 5y ago

People digging up old stories on Macron's and his wife are anything but concerned about helping justice. They're only interested in proving Macron was abused by his wife so she can get convicted and then he (the victim!) gets hit as a side effect. People doing that kind crap have no limit to how low they're willing to drop their common decency to promote their shitty political agenda: They spread their lies over social networks, alienate the debate with inane affairs and waste valuable resources from the judicial system. I'm glad those idiots are getting sued.

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sacrosancty 5y ago

I wish people would stop misusing the word pedophilia. Most normal adults can be sexually attracted to 15 year olds. Pedophilia is something completely different.