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Fun fact, when I was driving from Morocco into Western Sahara and I had a map on the hood [1] that showed it as a separate country. I had multiple people warn m

by grecy 5y ago

Fun fact, when I was driving from Morocco into Western Sahara and I had a map on the hood [1] that showed it as a separate country. I had multiple people warn me the Military would get VERY upset about that, and so I cut out that portion of the map. Many people have been detained over the years for having such a map. The Moroccan military DO NOT want anyone to think of Western Sahara as a separate country. Last I checked, the UN list it as "occupied territory", but nobody is going to do anything about it because money. [1] http://static4.theroadchoseme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dan-jeep-africa-hood-complete-720x480.jpg http://static4.theroadchoseme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03...

danamit 5y ago
The military does not care, nor interfere, nor decide what to do, nor there is a law against having a separated map. You will probably get looks from people, and have people constantly comment about the map, but I would assume that's normal and doing so about any disputed region would do so. Try it elsewhere and tell me. Now about Morocco and Sahara, Morocco proposed a referendum since 1991, and still continuously supporting the idea. UN's existence in Sahara is for the purpose of facilitating the referendum. But I will assume it will never happen as long as there is countries to gain diplomatically from keep the issue as a card in their hand. Most of Western Europe flip flop about the issue, depends on how their relationship and interest with Morocco is like. We gonna renegotiate fishing agreements in Moroccan waters? more Sahara talks. A country didn't succeed in barring the EU from importing a competing vegetable? more Sahara talks. Now about phosphate, most of Moroccan phosphate and especially production exist outside of Sahara.
- actionfromafar 5y ago
  > We gonna renegotiate fishing agreements in Moroccan waters? That would also be, "We enjoy our EU trawlers fishing in West Saharan waters, and we don't want find out what a would-be West Saharan government would say about these rights"
  - danamit 5y ago
    I don't get the double standards. Morocco has proposed a referendum, the area is not militarized (only the borders/sand wall but that's like any country with borders). In the other hand, you have Barcelona where people VOTED to for independence, they got brutalized by the state, and the West and Europe applauded. Basque are in a similar situation too (Allah help them). Show me any display of violence in Sahara, before you gonna go claim its censored keep in mind that UN's MINURSO has full access to Sahara and they have the RIGHT to monitor the situation. Some people in Sahara wanna be with Morocco, others don't. Solution is voting, and we are for it. There is no argument for separating a country just because when it was colonized the Sahara part was colonized by Spain while the rest by France.
    - hutzlibu 5y ago
      "Solution is voting, and we are for it." I applaud that stance, but as far as I know, it does not reflect the stance of your government. And you are very right, that the same right should apply for the catalans, basque as well as any people felling oppressed and not represented from their government.
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      - danamit 5y ago
        It's literally the stance of my government, we literally have a UN sub-org here called MINURSO (The United Nations Mission for the Referendum in Western Sahara), my government proposed the referendum, my government allowed MINURSO in , my gov protects them, the so called Sahrawi gov are in Algeria and its prominent members spent all their lives working as ambassadors in other countries and they are refusing to have the referendum. It is a big issue when you talk about something and defend it strongly with no clue. PS: Morocco in the 60s had many issues in reality, power struggle between the monarchy and parties, 3 army coups that failed, separating in Rif and Sahara by those who fought colonizers and seeing themselves not getting any power. Sahara was an issue like the many other issues, it only lasted because of support by the Eastern Block. Today, in reality, the struggle ended.

by grecy 5y ago

danamit 5y ago

The military does not care, nor interfere, nor decide what to do, nor there is a law against having a separated map. You will probably get looks from people, and have people constantly comment about the map, but I would assume that's normal and doing so about any disputed region would do so. Try it elsewhere and tell me. Now about Morocco and Sahara, Morocco proposed a referendum since 1991, and still continuously supporting the idea. UN's existence in Sahara is for the purpose of facilitating the referendum. But I will assume it will never happen as long as there is countries to gain diplomatically from keep the issue as a card in their hand. Most of Western Europe flip flop about the issue, depends on how their relationship and interest with Morocco is like. We gonna renegotiate fishing agreements in Moroccan waters? more Sahara talks. A country didn't succeed in barring the EU from importing a competing vegetable? more Sahara talks. Now about phosphate, most of Moroccan phosphate and especially production exist outside of Sahara.

actionfromafar 5y ago
> We gonna renegotiate fishing agreements in Moroccan waters? That would also be, "We enjoy our EU trawlers fishing in West Saharan waters, and we don't want find out what a would-be West Saharan government would say about these rights"
- danamit 5y ago
  I don't get the double standards. Morocco has proposed a referendum, the area is not militarized (only the borders/sand wall but that's like any country with borders). In the other hand, you have Barcelona where people VOTED to for independence, they got brutalized by the state, and the West and Europe applauded. Basque are in a similar situation too (Allah help them). Show me any display of violence in Sahara, before you gonna go claim its censored keep in mind that UN's MINURSO has full access to Sahara and they have the RIGHT to monitor the situation. Some people in Sahara wanna be with Morocco, others don't. Solution is voting, and we are for it. There is no argument for separating a country just because when it was colonized the Sahara part was colonized by Spain while the rest by France.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    "Solution is voting, and we are for it." I applaud that stance, but as far as I know, it does not reflect the stance of your government. And you are very right, that the same right should apply for the catalans, basque as well as any people felling oppressed and not represented from their government.
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    - danamit 5y ago
      It's literally the stance of my government, we literally have a UN sub-org here called MINURSO (The United Nations Mission for the Referendum in Western Sahara), my government proposed the referendum, my government allowed MINURSO in , my gov protects them, the so called Sahrawi gov are in Algeria and its prominent members spent all their lives working as ambassadors in other countries and they are refusing to have the referendum. It is a big issue when you talk about something and defend it strongly with no clue. PS: Morocco in the 60s had many issues in reality, power struggle between the monarchy and parties, 3 army coups that failed, separating in Rif and Sahara by those who fought colonizers and seeing themselves not getting any power. Sahara was an issue like the many other issues, it only lasted because of support by the Eastern Block. Today, in reality, the struggle ended.