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No it is NOT in Morocco. It is in Occupied Western Sahara. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara The p

by nanna 5y ago

No it is NOT in Morocco. It is in Occupied Western Sahara. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara The phosphorpus conveypr belt was built illegally, against international law without the consent of the Western Saharewi people. This is an illegal, brutal, military occupation that has largely been forgotten in Western circles. Please do not normalise it here on HN by calling it Morocco. Please correct the title.

mardifoufs 5y ago
It is recognized by the united states as morocco. The rest of your comment is basic polisario propaganda, and does not reflect the reality on the ground. There's nothing "left" to normalize and there is no reason to give any credibility to a foreign backed separatist group that has basically done nothing for the Sahraoui people. A part from betraying it by waging a proxy war benefitting only it's algerian puppet masters, while holding it's own people hostage in Tindouf.
- pxeger1 5y ago
  The US only recognised Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara in 2020, in exchange for Moroccan normalisation of relations with Israel. The fact that the US recognises it is pretty meaningless, since it was clearly just used as a bargaining chip.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  "The United Nations considers the Polisario Front to be the legitimate representative of the Sahrawi people, and maintains that the Sahrawis have a right to self-determination."
  - zo1 5y ago
    Doesn't mean much when so many countries in the world regularly codify the violation of multiple "human rights" supposedly agreed by the UN.
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Markoff 5y ago
Even UN doesn't recognize it as country, heck even Palestine has way way higher status.
5350-uiop-1130 5y ago
Did you read the wikipedia article or just fishing for upvotes? Can you explain why the so called polisario has a strogner claim over western sahara versus morocco? Do you know anything about Moroccan history and territory before the colonial interference of the Spanish and French?
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  You seem to be more educated in this area, please share your knowledge and link to some reading material instead of asking questions like it's a pop quiz in high school that nobody expected or actually studied for.
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grecy 5y ago
Fun fact, when I was driving from Morocco into Western Sahara and I had a map on the hood [1] that showed it as a separate country. I had multiple people warn me the Military would get VERY upset about that, and so I cut out that portion of the map. Many people have been detained over the years for having such a map. The Moroccan military DO NOT want anyone to think of Western Sahara as a separate country. Last I checked, the UN list it as "occupied territory", but nobody is going to do anything about it because money. [1] http://static4.theroadchoseme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dan-jeep-africa-hood-complete-720x480.jpg http://static4.theroadchoseme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03...
- danamit 5y ago
  The military does not care, nor interfere, nor decide what to do, nor there is a law against having a separated map. You will probably get looks from people, and have people constantly comment about the map, but I would assume that's normal and doing so about any disputed region would do so. Try it elsewhere and tell me. Now about Morocco and Sahara, Morocco proposed a referendum since 1991, and still continuously supporting the idea. UN's existence in Sahara is for the purpose of facilitating the referendum. But I will assume it will never happen as long as there is countries to gain diplomatically from keep the issue as a card in their hand. Most of Western Europe flip flop about the issue, depends on how their relationship and interest with Morocco is like. We gonna renegotiate fishing agreements in Moroccan waters? more Sahara talks. A country didn't succeed in barring the EU from importing a competing vegetable? more Sahara talks. Now about phosphate, most of Moroccan phosphate and especially production exist outside of Sahara.
  - actionfromafar 5y ago
    > We gonna renegotiate fishing agreements in Moroccan waters? That would also be, "We enjoy our EU trawlers fishing in West Saharan waters, and we don't want find out what a would-be West Saharan government would say about these rights"
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by nanna 5y ago

mardifoufs 5y ago

It is recognized by the united states as morocco. The rest of your comment is basic polisario propaganda, and does not reflect the reality on the ground. There's nothing "left" to normalize and there is no reason to give any credibility to a foreign backed separatist group that has basically done nothing for the Sahraoui people. A part from betraying it by waging a proxy war benefitting only it's algerian puppet masters, while holding it's own people hostage in Tindouf.

pxeger1 5y ago
The US only recognised Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara in 2020, in exchange for Moroccan normalisation of relations with Israel. The fact that the US recognises it is pretty meaningless, since it was clearly just used as a bargaining chip.
hutzlibu 5y ago
"The United Nations considers the Polisario Front to be the legitimate representative of the Sahrawi people, and maintains that the Sahrawis have a right to self-determination."
- zo1 5y ago
  Doesn't mean much when so many countries in the world regularly codify the violation of multiple "human rights" supposedly agreed by the UN.
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Markoff 5y ago

Even UN doesn't recognize it as country, heck even Palestine has way way higher status.

5350-uiop-1130 5y ago

Did you read the wikipedia article or just fishing for upvotes? Can you explain why the so called polisario has a strogner claim over western sahara versus morocco? Do you know anything about Moroccan history and territory before the colonial interference of the Spanish and French?

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
You seem to be more educated in this area, please share your knowledge and link to some reading material instead of asking questions like it's a pop quiz in high school that nobody expected or actually studied for.
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grecy 5y ago

Fun fact, when I was driving from Morocco into Western Sahara and I had a map on the hood [1] that showed it as a separate country. I had multiple people warn me the Military would get VERY upset about that, and so I cut out that portion of the map. Many people have been detained over the years for having such a map. The Moroccan military DO NOT want anyone to think of Western Sahara as a separate country. Last I checked, the UN list it as "occupied territory", but nobody is going to do anything about it because money. [1] http://static4.theroadchoseme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dan-jeep-africa-hood-complete-720x480.jpg http://static4.theroadchoseme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03...

danamit 5y ago
The military does not care, nor interfere, nor decide what to do, nor there is a law against having a separated map. You will probably get looks from people, and have people constantly comment about the map, but I would assume that's normal and doing so about any disputed region would do so. Try it elsewhere and tell me. Now about Morocco and Sahara, Morocco proposed a referendum since 1991, and still continuously supporting the idea. UN's existence in Sahara is for the purpose of facilitating the referendum. But I will assume it will never happen as long as there is countries to gain diplomatically from keep the issue as a card in their hand. Most of Western Europe flip flop about the issue, depends on how their relationship and interest with Morocco is like. We gonna renegotiate fishing agreements in Moroccan waters? more Sahara talks. A country didn't succeed in barring the EU from importing a competing vegetable? more Sahara talks. Now about phosphate, most of Moroccan phosphate and especially production exist outside of Sahara.
- actionfromafar 5y ago
  > We gonna renegotiate fishing agreements in Moroccan waters? That would also be, "We enjoy our EU trawlers fishing in West Saharan waters, and we don't want find out what a would-be West Saharan government would say about these rights"
  - danamit 5y ago

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