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> It's not like the police are filing these EDRs every day. Do you have a source for this? I just went to check T-Mobile for example and their site says they g

> It's not like the police are filing these EDRs every day. Do you have a source for this? I just went to check T-Mobile for example and their site says they got 164k of them in 2020. [1] That's about 450/day, and it's just one company. [1] https://www.t-mobile.com/news/_admin/uploads/2021/07/2020-Transparency-Report.pdf#page=5 https://www.t-mobile.com/news/_admin/uploads/2021/07/2020-Tr...

RandomBK 5y ago
All the more reason to get some oversight into the system. The CDC reported 24.5K homocides in 2020 [0], so one company's EDRs represented 6X this figure. I find it difficult to believe that each and every one of those 164K represented a true life/death scenario that would necessitate a breach of privacy by a government agent without any due process. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
- dataflow 5y ago
  "Emergency" does not imply "life or death".
  - RandomBK 5y ago
    I was basing it on this line in the article: > any police jurisdiction can use an EDR to request immediate access to data without a warrant, provided the law enforcement entity attests that the request is related to an urgent matter of life and death.
    - dataflow 5y ago
      You shouldn't read so much into a single sentence like that when it's so broad. That's just a summary they wrote offhand. It's not an absolute statement about every jurisdiction or company. Google around and you'll find there's more to it than that. Like "serious physical injury" for example.
      - d110af5ccf 5y ago
        > You shouldn't read so much into a single sentence I disagree. That sentence is unambiguous. Either that sentence is blatantly incorrect or an EDR does imply life or death. The two possibilities are mutually exclusive.
        dataflow 5y ago
        I mean, you can call it "blatantly incorrect" if you wish. I'm just trying to discuss the facts, not defend the author.
- tyrfing 5y ago
  1.2 million suicide attempts, 46k successful. Counting homicides only gives you the "death" part of "life or death".
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    Do you honestly believe the number of emergency data requests aimed at preventing a suicide is more than a 2 digit number out of those requests? Nobody and I mean nobody in government gives one damn about a person in crisis unless that person is literally standing in the high place about to jump in which case they will surely show up in time to file whatever paperwork is required to initiate the cleanup.
encryptluks2 5y ago
I think that is just further proof that police are abusing this process.
- dataflow 5y ago
  I can't pretend to know what numbers are reasonable here, so you'll need more than that to make a compelling case.
- rwalle 5y ago
  Ridiculous. Look up how many homicides and suicides there are every day in the US. A lot of them are associated with such emergency requests. It's so funny that you are using the word "proof" without using any logic or reasoning, but just talking out of your head -- "that number seems too large, so it must be wrong"!
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    Approximately 22,000 homicides, so not sure how those numbers help whatever you're trying to argue.
asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
Huh. That's surprising to me. Thanks for providing that data point. My state is only 10% of the population, so it's down to 45 a day. But it's still a lot.
- rosndo 5y ago
  45 a day for just t-mobile.

RandomBK 5y ago

All the more reason to get some oversight into the system. The CDC reported 24.5K homocides in 2020 [0], so one company's EDRs represented 6X this figure. I find it difficult to believe that each and every one of those 164K represented a true life/death scenario that would necessitate a breach of privacy by a government agent without any due process. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

dataflow 5y ago
"Emergency" does not imply "life or death".
- RandomBK 5y ago
  I was basing it on this line in the article: > any police jurisdiction can use an EDR to request immediate access to data without a warrant, provided the law enforcement entity attests that the request is related to an urgent matter of life and death.
  - dataflow 5y ago
    You shouldn't read so much into a single sentence like that when it's so broad. That's just a summary they wrote offhand. It's not an absolute statement about every jurisdiction or company. Google around and you'll find there's more to it than that. Like "serious physical injury" for example.
    - d110af5ccf 5y ago
      > You shouldn't read so much into a single sentence I disagree. That sentence is unambiguous. Either that sentence is blatantly incorrect or an EDR does imply life or death. The two possibilities are mutually exclusive.
      - dataflow 5y ago
        I mean, you can call it "blatantly incorrect" if you wish. I'm just trying to discuss the facts, not defend the author.
tyrfing 5y ago
1.2 million suicide attempts, 46k successful. Counting homicides only gives you the "death" part of "life or death".
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  Do you honestly believe the number of emergency data requests aimed at preventing a suicide is more than a 2 digit number out of those requests? Nobody and I mean nobody in government gives one damn about a person in crisis unless that person is literally standing in the high place about to jump in which case they will surely show up in time to file whatever paperwork is required to initiate the cleanup.

encryptluks2 5y ago

I think that is just further proof that police are abusing this process.

dataflow 5y ago
I can't pretend to know what numbers are reasonable here, so you'll need more than that to make a compelling case.
rwalle 5y ago
Ridiculous. Look up how many homicides and suicides there are every day in the US. A lot of them are associated with such emergency requests. It's so funny that you are using the word "proof" without using any logic or reasoning, but just talking out of your head -- "that number seems too large, so it must be wrong"!
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Approximately 22,000 homicides, so not sure how those numbers help whatever you're trying to argue.

asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago

Huh. That's surprising to me. Thanks for providing that data point. My state is only 10% of the population, so it's down to 45 a day. But it's still a lot.

rosndo 5y ago
45 a day for just t-mobile.