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I just sincerely hope that people remember that the subject of this article was “banned” from all media and social media as recent as 1.5 yrs ago. People got de

I just sincerely hope that people remember that the subject of this article was “banned” from all media and social media as recent as 1.5 yrs ago. People got deplatformed and cancelled. And now it turns out to be true. What can we learn from this going forward?

elSidCampeador 5y ago
Trust, but verify, I guess?
- luxuryballs 5y ago
  How about verify until we feel like we can trust again and then keep verifying.
tomrod 5y ago
My take: that when the house is on fire, deal with the fire first then the cause of the fire after. Put it on the shelf to deal with the real issues first. Politically, Trump targeted China from the beginning of his race in 2015 and never backed down. We didn't need the further fan geopolitical or realpolitick flames when we needed at least minimal international cooperation. I wish I could trust that people will respond with neighbor-first mentalities when disasters like pandemics arrive. I feel it might be unpopular with the HN crowd, but I believe the anti-public health measures tantrum will be used to justify a lot more draconian measures when the next global disaster comes around.
- pas 5y ago
  what we need is flexibility and good judgment (duh). in a crisis we need coordination and compromise, in "peacetime" we need the opposite. it's hard to give up the simple mantras, but if we want more efficiency we need more complexity in our policies. > I believe the anti-public health measures tantrum will be used to justify a lot more draconian measures when the next global disaster comes around. on one hand, that might help to decrease the spread, on the other hand, spending resources on measures that are easy to enforce, but still not terribly effective is a bad trade off. (for example testing a lot more and organizing our life around respecting the result is a lot less draconian than simply shutting everything down, yet these nuances were mostly lost on people.)
memish 5y ago
Humility.
tgv 5y ago
What we can learn is that "mainstream media" (as they're called nowadays), the reputable, serious media that publish at large scale, should stay the fuck away from twitter (but also facebook and the rest of it). It's their reliance on easy vox-pops from social media that has given those platforms their almost global influence on opinions. Opinion settles (and divides) very quickly on twitter, and the rest follows out of fear of being called stupid or worse. That makes that publishing amibiguous information, or even being slow with an initial opinion, becomes a topic in itself. Corrections take forever, because you can't agree with the other side. Twitter is a cancer that's not going away soon, so the only option is to isolate it.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Trump said this for years. And now the left is finally admitting it too? This is too good to be true.
  - AnonymousPlanet 5y ago
    Source that he said exactly this?
  - tgv 5y ago
    Even Trump can't be wrong all the time. Trump was quite the obsessive twitterer himself, BTW. But mind you: the (far) right has tried to use twitter to far more nefarious purposes.
noja 5y ago
- snapcaster 5y ago
  This is such an uncharitable interpretation of what he said. Aren't you at least angry that you've been lied to?

elSidCampeador 5y ago

Trust, but verify, I guess?

luxuryballs 5y ago
How about verify until we feel like we can trust again and then keep verifying.

tomrod 5y ago

My take: that when the house is on fire, deal with the fire first then the cause of the fire after. Put it on the shelf to deal with the real issues first. Politically, Trump targeted China from the beginning of his race in 2015 and never backed down. We didn't need the further fan geopolitical or realpolitick flames when we needed at least minimal international cooperation. I wish I could trust that people will respond with neighbor-first mentalities when disasters like pandemics arrive. I feel it might be unpopular with the HN crowd, but I believe the anti-public health measures tantrum will be used to justify a lot more draconian measures when the next global disaster comes around.

pas 5y ago
what we need is flexibility and good judgment (duh). in a crisis we need coordination and compromise, in "peacetime" we need the opposite. it's hard to give up the simple mantras, but if we want more efficiency we need more complexity in our policies. > I believe the anti-public health measures tantrum will be used to justify a lot more draconian measures when the next global disaster comes around. on one hand, that might help to decrease the spread, on the other hand, spending resources on measures that are easy to enforce, but still not terribly effective is a bad trade off. (for example testing a lot more and organizing our life around respecting the result is a lot less draconian than simply shutting everything down, yet these nuances were mostly lost on people.)

memish 5y ago

Humility.

tgv 5y ago

What we can learn is that "mainstream media" (as they're called nowadays), the reputable, serious media that publish at large scale, should stay the fuck away from twitter (but also facebook and the rest of it). It's their reliance on easy vox-pops from social media that has given those platforms their almost global influence on opinions. Opinion settles (and divides) very quickly on twitter, and the rest follows out of fear of being called stupid or worse. That makes that publishing amibiguous information, or even being slow with an initial opinion, becomes a topic in itself. Corrections take forever, because you can't agree with the other side. Twitter is a cancer that's not going away soon, so the only option is to isolate it.

goldenkey 5y ago
Trump said this for years. And now the left is finally admitting it too? This is too good to be true.
- AnonymousPlanet 5y ago
  Source that he said exactly this?
- tgv 5y ago
  Even Trump can't be wrong all the time. Trump was quite the obsessive twitterer himself, BTW. But mind you: the (far) right has tried to use twitter to far more nefarious purposes.

noja 5y ago

snapcaster 5y ago
This is such an uncharitable interpretation of what he said. Aren't you at least angry that you've been lied to?