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There is also the reverse, males can be selecting for traits that make it easier to propagate their genes... that's how I read the result. The more 'endowed'/ag

by mxkopy 5y ago

There is also the reverse, males can be selecting for traits that make it easier to propagate their genes... that's how I read the result. The more 'endowed'/aggressive the male is, the more complex the vagina becomes to retain some preference in gene retention. >I’m also acknowledging that an individual can influence that when many individuals are doing the same thing The individual can't influence anything on evolutionary scales EDIT: "Retaining preference" is an incredible mischaracterization and an artifact of my not being a biologist. What I'm sure is actually happening is aggression /'mating through endowment alone' is detrimental to the well being of the female, which is detrimental to the well being of the offspring. What is interesting though is that instead of such offspring dying and aggression/endowment being selected against, these traits stay around long enough for there to be some evolutionary pressure for females to adapt around. I guess this kind of makes sense since aggression and physical size are advantageous in fights and whatnot, so there is a selection process going on independent from the mating process of that species

vmception 5y ago
> The individual can't influence anything on evolutionary scales Correct, unless many individuals from the whole generation are doing it. like I said. If the whole generation is selecting one way, then they are influencing the next generation greatly reducing the randomness of the outcome I will concede that I did consider the male influence, but opted to focus on the females because the article said the females can reject unwanted advances, and that only 2-5% of unwanted advances are successful (although would want to see that peer reviewed, something like that was comically said by US Senators only a few years back about humans, but with ducks? I don't know!), in any case this article is saying that the other 95-98% are the ones are selected for by the females. Who then have to fend off big dick energy in future seasons (sexual maturity being 4-5 months in duck world).
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- mxkopy 5y ago
  >If the whole generation is selecting one way, then they are influencing the next generation greatly reducing the randomness of the outcome Consider...the selection of the Nth generation, if it significantly affects the N+1th generation... was significantly affected by the N-1th... thus most if not all of the randomness lay in the 0th generation... But that's not the case. Each generation randomly selects traits, the distribution of these traits is constrained by their biological fitness, which is not determined by an individual, but by the interaction of phenotype and the environment. >Who then have to fend off big dick energy in future seasons Love is out there man. Just work on yourself and keep an open mind. Humans can work with abstractions so far above the base nature that we see in animals.

by mxkopy 5y ago

vmception 5y ago

> The individual can't influence anything on evolutionary scales Correct, unless many individuals from the whole generation are doing it. like I said. If the whole generation is selecting one way, then they are influencing the next generation greatly reducing the randomness of the outcome I will concede that I did consider the male influence, but opted to focus on the females because the article said the females can reject unwanted advances, and that only 2-5% of unwanted advances are successful (although would want to see that peer reviewed, something like that was comically said by US Senators only a few years back about humans, but with ducks? I don't know!), in any case this article is saying that the other 95-98% are the ones are selected for by the females. Who then have to fend off big dick energy in future seasons (sexual maturity being 4-5 months in duck world).

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mxkopy 5y ago
>If the whole generation is selecting one way, then they are influencing the next generation greatly reducing the randomness of the outcome Consider...the selection of the Nth generation, if it significantly affects the N+1th generation... was significantly affected by the N-1th... thus most if not all of the randomness lay in the 0th generation... But that's not the case. Each generation randomly selects traits, the distribution of these traits is constrained by their biological fitness, which is not determined by an individual, but by the interaction of phenotype and the environment. >Who then have to fend off big dick energy in future seasons Love is out there man. Just work on yourself and keep an open mind. Humans can work with abstractions so far above the base nature that we see in animals.