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Such a conclusion as AI would create AGI implies you are more hyped about the field than actually understanding where AI is today, nor what is required in order

Such a conclusion as AI would create AGI implies you are more hyped about the field than actually understanding where AI is today, nor what is required in order to achieve AGI.

mkaic 5y ago
I am a professional AI practitioner and I feel that I understand the field well enough to see multiple possible paths towards actually creating AGI. They are certainly out of my own personal reach and/or skillset right now, but that doesn't mean they're impossible. And yeah, "AI will create AGI" is kind of purposefully vague, but I think it's still valid. I think the flaws we unconsciously introduce into AI through our biases as human beings are what holds it back, so the more layers of stable, semi-stochastic abstraction we can place between ourselves and the final product, the more likely the model will be able to optimize itself to a place where it is truly free of the shortcomings of being "designed". Edit: realized I came off as bit cocky there, apologies. I value your opinion and appreciate you taking the time to share it. I also think I see where you're coming from and partially agree -- the AI systems that are popular right now probably won't create AGI, but I still believe that AGI will be created with the help of non-general AIs.
- alophawen 5y ago
  > I am a professional AI practitioner and I feel that I understand the field well enough to see multiple possible paths towards actually creating AGI. So do I, but none of them revolve around training an current-era AI to produce an AGI, that was my main objection to your article.
  - Sweetness 5y ago
    Human beings evolved from single celled organisms. Why does the concept that dumb ai will help to create smart ai seem far-fetched?
    - alophawen 5y ago
      Because all of what you refer to as "dumb AI" is actually machine learning algorithms trained for very specific pattern matching. They are approaching abilities of the human brain such as pattern matching in vision, hearing and language (which if you think of it probably evolved from a common system). What seems to be constantly overlooked when discussing AGI is that we as a species still do not have a reasonable comprehension of how the rest of the brain works. I would like to ask you, why do you think a bunch of eyballs and ears would somehow be able to end up as intelligent?

Such a conclusion as AI would create AGI implies you are more hyped about the field than actually understanding where AI is today, nor what is required in order to achieve AGI.

mkaic 5y ago

I am a professional AI practitioner and I feel that I understand the field well enough to see multiple possible paths towards actually creating AGI. They are certainly out of my own personal reach and/or skillset right now, but that doesn't mean they're impossible. And yeah, "AI will create AGI" is kind of purposefully vague, but I think it's still valid. I think the flaws we unconsciously introduce into AI through our biases as human beings are what holds it back, so the more layers of stable, semi-stochastic abstraction we can place between ourselves and the final product, the more likely the model will be able to optimize itself to a place where it is truly free of the shortcomings of being "designed". Edit: realized I came off as bit cocky there, apologies. I value your opinion and appreciate you taking the time to share it. I also think I see where you're coming from and partially agree -- the AI systems that are popular right now probably won't create AGI, but I still believe that AGI will be created with the help of non-general AIs.

alophawen 5y ago
> I am a professional AI practitioner and I feel that I understand the field well enough to see multiple possible paths towards actually creating AGI. So do I, but none of them revolve around training an current-era AI to produce an AGI, that was my main objection to your article.
- Sweetness 5y ago
  Human beings evolved from single celled organisms. Why does the concept that dumb ai will help to create smart ai seem far-fetched?
  - alophawen 5y ago
    Because all of what you refer to as "dumb AI" is actually machine learning algorithms trained for very specific pattern matching. They are approaching abilities of the human brain such as pattern matching in vision, hearing and language (which if you think of it probably evolved from a common system). What seems to be constantly overlooked when discussing AGI is that we as a species still do not have a reasonable comprehension of how the rest of the brain works. I would like to ask you, why do you think a bunch of eyballs and ears would somehow be able to end up as intelligent?