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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controve... She used her personal email for

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controve... She used her personal email for official communication quite a bit. This is illegal from a public records point of view, as well as from a classification point of view. A review of emails found classified information there. She was required to take document management and classified information classes when she became Sec State.

trelane 5y ago
I wish the government folks would actually follow the rules for once. R & D seem to both be terrible, and it only seems to matter when the other side does it. Frickin' US politics.
- earleybird 5y ago
  This absolutely happens in other (non US) jurisdictions. For example the one I'm in. The standard process is that some executive or minister does something untoward and everyone else who works in govt gets sent on mandatory training. It doesn't change the behavior of those who think they are above the rules.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  It's the whole legal/court system... If a couple of politicians got imprisoned for that (like a normal employee probably would get), the rest would be a lot more careful around sensitive data. But sonce the law treats the rich and influential differently than the "normal people", we have situations like this one now.
mpyne 5y ago
> She used her personal email for official communication quite a bit. This is illegal from a public records point of view Yes, this is not permitted, even if in practice it's not a grave crime (because if it is a grave crime you'd have to lock up 95% of government employees). At least in Dept of State it looks like the IT staff retain emails as records. In the Navy even that doesn't happen, and Navy workers are expected to instead manually export all emails that might be "records" into a whole separate system. > A review of emails found classified information there. This is true, but I would like to note that any agency can classify information, whether you knew it was classified or not, and this covered much (I won't claim all) of Clinton's activity. E.g. a Washington Post article gets sent to her about outcry in Pakistan due to a U.S. drone strike in the area. Huge diplomatic incident. "How should we handle this boss?". The problem is that the drone strike came from a covert activity run by a different agency. Since it's covert, it's also classified. Now Clinton is "engaged in classified correspondence". It doesn't help that it's already in the public sphere and that she is literally talking about this issue with Pakistani diplomats who are definitely not cleared to receive U.S. classified info. Nope, in the same way government workers were told to be careful not to comment on news media about Snowden leaks, Clinton is technically guilty of sharing classified info over unclassified (and personal!) email. I don't know whether the present case is like Clinton's (i.e. mixed in with what you might call innocuous) or actual witting sharing of classified info. I'd probably still bet on the latter.
- hindsightbias 5y ago
  This. It’s ironic the very first email she sent from clintonmail as SoS was congratulating Petraeus as CIA director. And that’s why Benghazi wasn’t about Benghazi, but getting her server. He remembered, and played it well.

trelane 5y ago

I wish the government folks would actually follow the rules for once. R & D seem to both be terrible, and it only seems to matter when the other side does it. Frickin' US politics.

earleybird 5y ago
This absolutely happens in other (non US) jurisdictions. For example the one I'm in. The standard process is that some executive or minister does something untoward and everyone else who works in govt gets sent on mandatory training. It doesn't change the behavior of those who think they are above the rules.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
It's the whole legal/court system... If a couple of politicians got imprisoned for that (like a normal employee probably would get), the rest would be a lot more careful around sensitive data. But sonce the law treats the rich and influential differently than the "normal people", we have situations like this one now.

mpyne 5y ago

> She used her personal email for official communication quite a bit. This is illegal from a public records point of view Yes, this is not permitted, even if in practice it's not a grave crime (because if it is a grave crime you'd have to lock up 95% of government employees). At least in Dept of State it looks like the IT staff retain emails as records. In the Navy even that doesn't happen, and Navy workers are expected to instead manually export all emails that might be "records" into a whole separate system. > A review of emails found classified information there. This is true, but I would like to note that any agency can classify information, whether you knew it was classified or not, and this covered much (I won't claim all) of Clinton's activity. E.g. a Washington Post article gets sent to her about outcry in Pakistan due to a U.S. drone strike in the area. Huge diplomatic incident. "How should we handle this boss?". The problem is that the drone strike came from a covert activity run by a different agency. Since it's covert, it's also classified. Now Clinton is "engaged in classified correspondence". It doesn't help that it's already in the public sphere and that she is literally talking about this issue with Pakistani diplomats who are definitely not cleared to receive U.S. classified info. Nope, in the same way government workers were told to be careful not to comment on news media about Snowden leaks, Clinton is technically guilty of sharing classified info over unclassified (and personal!) email. I don't know whether the present case is like Clinton's (i.e. mixed in with what you might call innocuous) or actual witting sharing of classified info. I'd probably still bet on the latter.

hindsightbias 5y ago
This. It’s ironic the very first email she sent from clintonmail as SoS was congratulating Petraeus as CIA director. And that’s why Benghazi wasn’t about Benghazi, but getting her server. He remembered, and played it well.