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Dry herb vaping is another option

by whoopdeepoo 5y ago

azemetre 5y ago
Wouldn't ingesting anything into your lungs be bad? How does vaping make it better?
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  Theoretically you aren’t getting the particulates from smoke. I assume it’s less harmful, but has it been studied?
  - epgui 5y ago
    Caution: that's not exactly true. What you get is a different distribution of particulates. You'll get much less of the larger particulates, and you'll be inhaling mostly finer particulates. They cause a different pattern of tissue damage.
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      Source on this claim?
      - epgui 5y ago
        - https://respiratory-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12931-021-01737-5 https://respiratory-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1... - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08958378.2012.744781?journalCode=iiht20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08958378.2012.74... - https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0210147 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... - https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2021.750402/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2021.7504... - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0021850219305919 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00218... - https://www.epj-conferences.org/articles/epjconf/pdf/2017/12/epjconf_efm2017_02006.pdf https://www.epj-conferences.org/articles/epjconf/pdf/2017/12... - https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5275 https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5275 - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925716/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925716/ - ...and plenty more
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        Appreciate it. These articles are mostly about liquid vaping, not dry herb vaping, yeah?
        epgui 5y ago
        That's right. I would expect that dry herb vaping would be more or less equivalent to liquid vaping (but of course this would depend on temperature, contents of the liquid, etc), assuming that no combustion occurs. Edit: I should say that this is not my specific area of expertise. This is a fairly active area of research, and while I am somewhat interested I am not following it super closely.
        SauciestGNU 5y ago
        My doctor (not a doctor who proscribes cannabis per a consensus of the physicians in the practice) stressed rather urgently that any cannabis vaping should be dry herb and not liquid. Sample size of one and all.
        thomastjeffery 5y ago
        That may be because there was a significant quality control issue a few years ago where the solvent used in some liquid vape cartridges was causing serious lung problems. I don't remember the details, but I have heard dry vape lauded as a safer alternative, since there are no additives or solvents involved, meaning you only have to worry about pesticides and fertilizers.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  Tar, carcinogens - all much less present in dry herb vaping. There aren't longitudinal studies on this really though, and no amount of inhaling not air into your lungs is safe.
  - Jeff_Brown 5y ago
    Cooling the smoke might be part of the purpose of the water in a bong. Similarly for the long tubes on houkas.
    - vmception 5y ago
      opportunistic reminder that hookahs are "100 times worse than cigarettes" for your lungs and the rest of your body! the consumer protection on hookahs is absolutely broken, as the warnings practically don't exist and a lot of people that avoid nicotine cigarettes use hookahs think theyre unrelated and benign, health wise.
- epgui 5y ago
  Yes, pretty much anything that goes into your lungs is bad. Lungs are incredibly fragile. This is especially so if whatever you're inhaling is hot (eg.: water vapour, smoke from any source...).
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    Source on the heat/water vapour claim?
    - epgui 5y ago
      Oof, a pathology class from 10 years ago, and this is more based on first principles than research findings. I'll see if I can't dig up something.

Dry herb vaping is another option

azemetre 5y ago

Wouldn't ingesting anything into your lungs be bad? How does vaping make it better?

amanaplanacanal 5y ago
Theoretically you aren’t getting the particulates from smoke. I assume it’s less harmful, but has it been studied?
- epgui 5y ago
  Caution: that's not exactly true. What you get is a different distribution of particulates. You'll get much less of the larger particulates, and you'll be inhaling mostly finer particulates. They cause a different pattern of tissue damage.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    Source on this claim?
    - epgui 5y ago
      - https://respiratory-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12931-021-01737-5 https://respiratory-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1... - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08958378.2012.744781?journalCode=iiht20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08958378.2012.74... - https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0210147 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... - https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2021.750402/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2021.7504... - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0021850219305919 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00218... - https://www.epj-conferences.org/articles/epjconf/pdf/2017/12/epjconf_efm2017_02006.pdf https://www.epj-conferences.org/articles/epjconf/pdf/2017/12... - https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5275 https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5275 - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925716/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925716/ - ...and plenty more
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        Appreciate it. These articles are mostly about liquid vaping, not dry herb vaping, yeah?
        epgui 5y ago
        That's right. I would expect that dry herb vaping would be more or less equivalent to liquid vaping (but of course this would depend on temperature, contents of the liquid, etc), assuming that no combustion occurs. Edit: I should say that this is not my specific area of expertise. This is a fairly active area of research, and while I am somewhat interested I am not following it super closely.
        SauciestGNU 5y ago
        My doctor (not a doctor who proscribes cannabis per a consensus of the physicians in the practice) stressed rather urgently that any cannabis vaping should be dry herb and not liquid. Sample size of one and all.
        thomastjeffery 5y ago
        That may be because there was a significant quality control issue a few years ago where the solvent used in some liquid vape cartridges was causing serious lung problems. I don't remember the details, but I have heard dry vape lauded as a safer alternative, since there are no additives or solvents involved, meaning you only have to worry about pesticides and fertilizers.
whimsicalism 5y ago
Tar, carcinogens - all much less present in dry herb vaping. There aren't longitudinal studies on this really though, and no amount of inhaling not air into your lungs is safe.
- Jeff_Brown 5y ago
  Cooling the smoke might be part of the purpose of the water in a bong. Similarly for the long tubes on houkas.
  - vmception 5y ago
    opportunistic reminder that hookahs are "100 times worse than cigarettes" for your lungs and the rest of your body! the consumer protection on hookahs is absolutely broken, as the warnings practically don't exist and a lot of people that avoid nicotine cigarettes use hookahs think theyre unrelated and benign, health wise.
epgui 5y ago
Yes, pretty much anything that goes into your lungs is bad. Lungs are incredibly fragile. This is especially so if whatever you're inhaling is hot (eg.: water vapour, smoke from any source...).
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  Source on the heat/water vapour claim?
  - epgui 5y ago
    Oof, a pathology class from 10 years ago, and this is more based on first principles than research findings. I'll see if I can't dig up something.