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Yeah this could be anything from "wow cool" to "holy smokes, how is THAT possible???". If all of the game state, output pixels etc were turned into time series

Yeah this could be anything from "wow cool" to "holy smokes, how is THAT possible???". If all of the game state, output pixels etc were turned into time series data and reassembled in a dashboard in real time--THAT is pretty cool!

spicybright 5y ago
Honestly, from what I've seen indie game development is sorely lacking for an easy real time dashboard display/input. being able to expose variables, edit them and see them update live, and maybe even rewind your game to retest different scenerios would be so helpful to many games.
- dustymcp 5y ago
  Unity 3d has this where you can update variables directly from the editor, some scripts can be reloaded aswell, maybe you meant for network games ?
- adamrezich 5y ago
  this sounds neat on paper but once your game is beyond a sufficient complexity threshold this quickly becomes untenable.
- akselmo 5y ago
  Not sure what youre thinking of but older games have demos that are recorded games. Those would work well for testing nowadays too imo. Mostly performance testing but still.
- madeofpalk 5y ago
  I know it's not quite what you had in mind, but the game I play has a publicly documented API so I wrote a Prometheus exporter for it and visualise the stats in Grafana. https://joshhunt.grafana.net/dashboard/snapshot/TJv1Wu64IykHh58PMAl1qS6H1bU6B2dp?orgId=1 https://joshhunt.grafana.net/dashboard/snapshot/TJv1Wu64IykH... https://github.com/joshhunt/prom-destiny-exporter https://github.com/joshhunt/prom-destiny-exporter I've heard (but have no direct knowledge myself) that PUBG publishes extremely detailed telemetry(?) for matches, so detailed that you can basically replay the entire match from their API. Maybe this? https://documentation.pubg.com/en/telemetry-events.html#telemetry-events https://documentation.pubg.com/en/telemetry-events.html#tele... Pretty neat! (FYI, I work at Grafana)
  - exdsq 5y ago
    That API does seem to cover everything - location, inventory state, kills & assists, care packages, breakable walls… I think the only info you don’t get is shooting (unless that updates the inventory state?) and even if it does, direction of shots that don’t hit anything.
  - jon-wood 5y ago
    There's also a Prometheus exporter for Factorio (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/graftorio2 https://mods.factorio.com/mod/graftorio2), which of course exposes huge amounts of data about the current state of your factory. Makes me wish you could flag specific regions of a factory as being distinct so that you could then drill down to find out where the iron shortage is.
- westoncb 5y ago
  I developed a habit of building these kinds of 'dashboards' from my time in game development, and ended up working on software to generalize the visualization and program data monitoring aspects of them so they could be more easily added to arbitrary programs (always focused on display though, not editing variables—main interest was creating 'ambient' feedback from evolving program data). If anyone's curious to see this more concretely, I give a demo here of a small one I built for another app I was working on (you'll hear it referenced as "Disk Atlas"): https://youtu.be/TeIgXzvYdpY?t=40 https://youtu.be/TeIgXzvYdpY?t=40 The video also talks about some more sophisticated / general purpose software for doing this (with a focus on creating easily comprehensible displays of data structures evolving over time) called Lucidity (started in 2014, now abandoned). I've recently come back to the idea, starting from scratch again, this time with less of a focus on showing algorithm execution and more on creating queryable dashboards of dynamic program state. I threw together a quick demo vid to give a glimpse at the new one, named 'printeff' (you monitor bits of program state by calling `printeff(myData)`): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH4l9n3DaZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH4l9n3DaZ4 curious if anyone has thoughts :) I'll put out a better video than this before long though.

spicybright 5y ago

Honestly, from what I've seen indie game development is sorely lacking for an easy real time dashboard display/input. being able to expose variables, edit them and see them update live, and maybe even rewind your game to retest different scenerios would be so helpful to many games.

dustymcp 5y ago
Unity 3d has this where you can update variables directly from the editor, some scripts can be reloaded aswell, maybe you meant for network games ?
adamrezich 5y ago
this sounds neat on paper but once your game is beyond a sufficient complexity threshold this quickly becomes untenable.
akselmo 5y ago
Not sure what youre thinking of but older games have demos that are recorded games. Those would work well for testing nowadays too imo. Mostly performance testing but still.
madeofpalk 5y ago
I know it's not quite what you had in mind, but the game I play has a publicly documented API so I wrote a Prometheus exporter for it and visualise the stats in Grafana. https://joshhunt.grafana.net/dashboard/snapshot/TJv1Wu64IykHh58PMAl1qS6H1bU6B2dp?orgId=1 https://joshhunt.grafana.net/dashboard/snapshot/TJv1Wu64IykH... https://github.com/joshhunt/prom-destiny-exporter https://github.com/joshhunt/prom-destiny-exporter I've heard (but have no direct knowledge myself) that PUBG publishes extremely detailed telemetry(?) for matches, so detailed that you can basically replay the entire match from their API. Maybe this? https://documentation.pubg.com/en/telemetry-events.html#telemetry-events https://documentation.pubg.com/en/telemetry-events.html#tele... Pretty neat! (FYI, I work at Grafana)
- exdsq 5y ago
  That API does seem to cover everything - location, inventory state, kills & assists, care packages, breakable walls… I think the only info you don’t get is shooting (unless that updates the inventory state?) and even if it does, direction of shots that don’t hit anything.
- jon-wood 5y ago
  There's also a Prometheus exporter for Factorio (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/graftorio2 https://mods.factorio.com/mod/graftorio2), which of course exposes huge amounts of data about the current state of your factory. Makes me wish you could flag specific regions of a factory as being distinct so that you could then drill down to find out where the iron shortage is.
westoncb 5y ago
I developed a habit of building these kinds of 'dashboards' from my time in game development, and ended up working on software to generalize the visualization and program data monitoring aspects of them so they could be more easily added to arbitrary programs (always focused on display though, not editing variables—main interest was creating 'ambient' feedback from evolving program data). If anyone's curious to see this more concretely, I give a demo here of a small one I built for another app I was working on (you'll hear it referenced as "Disk Atlas"): https://youtu.be/TeIgXzvYdpY?t=40 https://youtu.be/TeIgXzvYdpY?t=40 The video also talks about some more sophisticated / general purpose software for doing this (with a focus on creating easily comprehensible displays of data structures evolving over time) called Lucidity (started in 2014, now abandoned). I've recently come back to the idea, starting from scratch again, this time with less of a focus on showing algorithm execution and more on creating queryable dashboards of dynamic program state. I threw together a quick demo vid to give a glimpse at the new one, named 'printeff' (you monitor bits of program state by calling `printeff(myData)`): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH4l9n3DaZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH4l9n3DaZ4 curious if anyone has thoughts :) I'll put out a better video than this before long though.