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> My use of MacOS is not likely to make a big difference in the adoption of MacOS, and therefore ascribing all of the massive network effect of usage to me. It

> My use of MacOS is not likely to make a big difference in the adoption of MacOS, and therefore ascribing all of the massive network effect of usage to me. It's not all to you. But you are contributing to it, and you shouldn't be excusing yourself on the basis of "look at everyone else doing it". > I'm pretty sure that I've done way more to make open systems possible on the desktop than you. This is not a competition to see who is more virtuous or less of a sinner. It is just me arguing that using Apple products is a moral failing. > you should immediately stop all activity which isn't helping the cause of open-systems-on-desktop to avoid accusations of hypocrisy. I am not perfect and I am not free of sin. But at least I am willing to call a failing as such. The first step to redemption is to accept your own faults.

mlyle 5y ago
> But at least I am willing to call a failing as such. I think there's room in the world for closed offerings and open offerings, and that they each have their own advantages and contributions to the world (and their own risks). > The first step to redemption is to accept your own faults. P'raps calling most of the world "weak-willed" (which I notice you've stealth-edited your prior comment to soften) and implying they may not be "smart" is going a bit beyond accepting your own faults and instead exposing others to harsh judgment for not valuing the things that you do.
- rglullis 5y ago
  This is not about "open offerings" and "closed offerings". It is specifically about how little it takes for people to give away their freedoms. To wit, ~battery life~.
  - mlyle 5y ago
    > It is specifically about how little it takes for people to give away their freedoms. You frame it that way -- most people don't. I like having a MacOS computer. Lots of daily things work better. Including battery life. Linux still exists and I still use it elsewhere. If Apple turns evil, I can move to having a Linux laptop again and just be slightly more miserable.
    - rglullis 5y ago
      > If Apple turns evil It is not a matter of "turning evil". They are already do "evil" things. It's just that you don't care because it doesn't affect you personally or the things that you consume from them.
      - mlyle 5y ago
        > They are already do "evil" things. I disagree. I think Apple has been a pretty good steward as a commercial vendor, with a few missteps. I have a pretty high degree of trust in them-- though my eyes are always open for any substantive problems emerging.

mlyle 5y ago

> But at least I am willing to call a failing as such. I think there's room in the world for closed offerings and open offerings, and that they each have their own advantages and contributions to the world (and their own risks). > The first step to redemption is to accept your own faults. P'raps calling most of the world "weak-willed" (which I notice you've stealth-edited your prior comment to soften) and implying they may not be "smart" is going a bit beyond accepting your own faults and instead exposing others to harsh judgment for not valuing the things that you do.

rglullis 5y ago
This is not about "open offerings" and "closed offerings". It is specifically about how little it takes for people to give away their freedoms. To wit, ~battery life~.
- mlyle 5y ago
  > It is specifically about how little it takes for people to give away their freedoms. You frame it that way -- most people don't. I like having a MacOS computer. Lots of daily things work better. Including battery life. Linux still exists and I still use it elsewhere. If Apple turns evil, I can move to having a Linux laptop again and just be slightly more miserable.
  - rglullis 5y ago
    > If Apple turns evil It is not a matter of "turning evil". They are already do "evil" things. It's just that you don't care because it doesn't affect you personally or the things that you consume from them.
    - mlyle 5y ago
      > They are already do "evil" things. I disagree. I think Apple has been a pretty good steward as a commercial vendor, with a few missteps. I have a pretty high degree of trust in them-- though my eyes are always open for any substantive problems emerging.