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Trucks. Lots and lots of trucks.

webmaven 5y ago
Leaving aside the issue that trucks can't move stuff across oceans, how do you get the extra trucks to where they are needed?
- danuker 5y ago
  As a Romanian I visited Lviv a few years ago. There were some disaster potholes right past the border. It took 1 hour to go through say, 10km with a small car. Unless those roads get fixed, I expect only military or otherwise rugged trucks to be able to pass quickly. Otherwise, you'd need a lot of trucks to get a significant flow of goods. Example: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0388842,22.9469939,3a,75y,331.94h,66.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssePIFIlb_a9MdOGsi7k5-w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DsePIFIlb_a9MdOGsi7k5-w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D288.98862%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0388842,22.9469939,3a,75y,33...
  - bombela 5y ago
    Ah, looks barely worse than roads in the Silicon Valley. Maybe that's why everybody drives SUV and pickup truck over here.
  - paganel 5y ago
    That's why the Russians de facto imposing a blockade on Odessa and generally speaking on the Ukrainian ports at the Black Sea is so important to them. Also Romanian in here, from the Southern part of the country where we happen to grow lots of wheat. We're also close by the Danube, which helps a lot with transport (companies like Cargill have invested massively during the last decade in here).
    - ncmncm 5y ago
      Cargill is in the running for world's most evil corporation. Competition is stiff and enthusiastic. Nestle? BASF/Monsanto? Exxon? CCP? Halliburton? We might not recognize the name of the leader.
      - paganel 5y ago
        Probably helps that they're in private hands, which I don't know how they managed to do for so long.
- p1mrx 5y ago
  Lots and lots of snorkel kits.
- pm90 5y ago
  Ships
pixl97 5y ago
Not sure about the EU, but the US has a massive truck driver shortage already.
- confidantlake 5y ago
  Is there really a shortage or are salaries just not high enough to attract candidates?
  - pempem 5y ago
    Agree. If the options are: - kill more people to end the war and return wheat supply - send more people to potentially die while killing more people to end the war and return the wheat supply - or pay more to get wheat to where it needs to be to ensure other people don't die of starvation during this war. I truly wish that the answer was: - pay more people to get wheat where it needs to be

Leaving aside the issue that trucks can't move stuff across oceans, how do you get the extra trucks to where they are needed?

danuker 5y ago
As a Romanian I visited Lviv a few years ago. There were some disaster potholes right past the border. It took 1 hour to go through say, 10km with a small car. Unless those roads get fixed, I expect only military or otherwise rugged trucks to be able to pass quickly. Otherwise, you'd need a lot of trucks to get a significant flow of goods. Example: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0388842,22.9469939,3a,75y,331.94h,66.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssePIFIlb_a9MdOGsi7k5-w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DsePIFIlb_a9MdOGsi7k5-w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D288.98862%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0388842,22.9469939,3a,75y,33...
- bombela 5y ago
  Ah, looks barely worse than roads in the Silicon Valley. Maybe that's why everybody drives SUV and pickup truck over here.
- paganel 5y ago
  That's why the Russians de facto imposing a blockade on Odessa and generally speaking on the Ukrainian ports at the Black Sea is so important to them. Also Romanian in here, from the Southern part of the country where we happen to grow lots of wheat. We're also close by the Danube, which helps a lot with transport (companies like Cargill have invested massively during the last decade in here).
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    Cargill is in the running for world's most evil corporation. Competition is stiff and enthusiastic. Nestle? BASF/Monsanto? Exxon? CCP? Halliburton? We might not recognize the name of the leader.
    - paganel 5y ago
      Probably helps that they're in private hands, which I don't know how they managed to do for so long.
p1mrx 5y ago
Lots and lots of snorkel kits.
pm90 5y ago
Ships

pixl97 5y ago

Not sure about the EU, but the US has a massive truck driver shortage already.

confidantlake 5y ago
Is there really a shortage or are salaries just not high enough to attract candidates?
- pempem 5y ago
  Agree. If the options are: - kill more people to end the war and return wheat supply - send more people to potentially die while killing more people to end the war and return the wheat supply - or pay more to get wheat to where it needs to be to ensure other people don't die of starvation during this war. I truly wish that the answer was: - pay more people to get wheat where it needs to be