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>...African-American culture is Southern white culture. If anything, Southern white culture co-opts African-American culture. We have our own dialects (AAVE),

>...African-American culture is Southern white culture. If anything, Southern white culture co-opts African-American culture. We have our own dialects (AAVE), our own foods, and our own music (pretty much any popular form of music from blues to rock-and-roll), and our own religious practices. Southern white culture may take in the some of the above, but it's pretty much a one-way transfer.

zozbot234 5y ago
Historically, the transfer was far from one way. Many things that people stereotype as "typical" of African-American culture today were borrowed from poor Southern whites. It was only comparatively recently that African-American culture was self-defined as somehow setting itself apart from that exchange.
- x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
  >..Many things that people stereotype as "typical" of African-American culture today were borrowed from poor Southern whites. Like what, specifically in terms of music, religious practices, or foods.
  - barry-cotter 5y ago
    Christianity, the English language, musical instruments (the fiddle), obligate monogamy. None of those are West African in the time period when slaves were arriving in the Western Hemisphere.
    - x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
      None of those things mentioned are restricted to having origins from the Southern White Community. That list could pretty much apply to any European extraction in the US.
      - barry-cotter 5y ago
        Yes, and? The "in the US" is kind of the point. African-Americans are an American ethnic group shaped by their history in the USA and in the British colonies before they were the USA. West Indians don't share that heritage so they're not African-American. For specifically Southern influence I'm no expert but here's one example. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01639620902854761?journalCode=udbh20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0163962090285476... > Southern Culture and Homicide: Examining the Cracker Culture/Black Rednecks Thesis > Recent scholarship traces the roots of southern violence to the Scots-Irish, who brought a relatively violent “cracker culture” with them to the United States in the eighteenth century. The tolerance for violence inherent in cracker culture was believed to be transmitted throughout the south to other whites and was maintained, in part, through evangelical Christian doctrine. Moreover, Thomas Sowell (2005) recently argued that some southern blacks were also influenced by “cracker culture,” leading to the emergence of a “black redneck” phenomenon influencing homicide among blacks. Using county-level data circa 2000, this study empirically evaluates the merit of the cracker culture/black redneck thesis. Negative binomial regression analyses for a full sample of counties suggest that a measure of southern cracker/black redneck culture is an important factor affecting contemporary rates of argument homicide among both whites and blacks. When counties are divided into south and non-south sub-samples, the results are also consistent: a cracker/black redneck culture effect is evident for both racial groups in the south, and is also apparent outside of the southern region. We interpret these latter findings as possible support for the thesis that southern cracker/black redneck culture has been transported through migration to non-southern localities.

zozbot234 5y ago

Historically, the transfer was far from one way. Many things that people stereotype as "typical" of African-American culture today were borrowed from poor Southern whites. It was only comparatively recently that African-American culture was self-defined as somehow setting itself apart from that exchange.

x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
>..Many things that people stereotype as "typical" of African-American culture today were borrowed from poor Southern whites. Like what, specifically in terms of music, religious practices, or foods.
- barry-cotter 5y ago
  Christianity, the English language, musical instruments (the fiddle), obligate monogamy. None of those are West African in the time period when slaves were arriving in the Western Hemisphere.
  - x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
    None of those things mentioned are restricted to having origins from the Southern White Community. That list could pretty much apply to any European extraction in the US.
    - barry-cotter 5y ago
      Yes, and? The "in the US" is kind of the point. African-Americans are an American ethnic group shaped by their history in the USA and in the British colonies before they were the USA. West Indians don't share that heritage so they're not African-American. For specifically Southern influence I'm no expert but here's one example. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01639620902854761?journalCode=udbh20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0163962090285476... > Southern Culture and Homicide: Examining the Cracker Culture/Black Rednecks Thesis > Recent scholarship traces the roots of southern violence to the Scots-Irish, who brought a relatively violent “cracker culture” with them to the United States in the eighteenth century. The tolerance for violence inherent in cracker culture was believed to be transmitted throughout the south to other whites and was maintained, in part, through evangelical Christian doctrine. Moreover, Thomas Sowell (2005) recently argued that some southern blacks were also influenced by “cracker culture,” leading to the emergence of a “black redneck” phenomenon influencing homicide among blacks. Using county-level data circa 2000, this study empirically evaluates the merit of the cracker culture/black redneck thesis. Negative binomial regression analyses for a full sample of counties suggest that a measure of southern cracker/black redneck culture is an important factor affecting contemporary rates of argument homicide among both whites and blacks. When counties are divided into south and non-south sub-samples, the results are also consistent: a cracker/black redneck culture effect is evident for both racial groups in the south, and is also apparent outside of the southern region. We interpret these latter findings as possible support for the thesis that southern cracker/black redneck culture has been transported through migration to non-southern localities.