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Bad take. Although there are decent wealthy people, the proportions are different. The correlation between material success and human decency is negative and th

by 21723 5y ago

Bad take. Although there are decent wealthy people, the proportions are different. The correlation between material success and human decency is negative and this needs to be known; indeed, one of the most important cultural battles in this war with Capital is to correct the biases many people hold that enable them to believe their ruling class is somehow "different". It's not. Saying that there are some non-wealthy people who are also horrible, something we already know, is classic what-aboutism. People who thrive in managerial hierarchies (private sector bureaucracies) tend not to be the best among us. Rather, they tend to be the cancer cells of the human species. They are individually fit at the expense of the organism, and while we might hope for a future in which the matter is different, right now the best tools we have to deal with them (e.g., chemotherapy, radiation) are blunt, destructive, and unfortunately quite brutal.

nickpp 5y ago
Incidentally, both chemotherapy machines and radiation machines are made by corporations. Corporations which are built and run by managers and executives which you could say "thrive in managerial hierarchies". The value they add to our society and lives is tremendous and calling them "cancer" only shows your bias and lack of rationality.
- 21723 5y ago
  Get back to your Jira tickets. You have standup in 10 minutes and you better be able to justify your daily wage. --Your boss
  - boringg 5y ago
    Everyone answers to someone - nobody is immune even if it looks like they are.
    - 21723 5y ago
      Arguably true, also irrelevant. I hope someone is paying you handsomely to post pro-corporate cappie nonsense here, because if you're doing it for free, that's just sad. For a serious response to what you said about modern medicine and the role of corporations in it... technological growth is possible under socialist as well as capitalist systems. It wasn't clear until the 1980s who was ahead and, on that, the reason the US "won" the Cold War (although we really didn't; we just lost less) is not that capitalism is superior--to be clear, the USSR was also deeply flawed, and Stalin was a paranoid butcher for whose actions there is no excuse--but that capitalism was a sea empire and the USSR was a land empire, and modern conflict is unfavorable to land empires. That's it. Land empires have to integrate people. Sea empires can point their cannons and say, "Give me money or die." The USSR had to integrate hundreds of different ethnicities. Capitalism just had to overthrow a few democratically-elected socialists and install dictators (see: Salvador and Allende). Capitalism was playing on easy mode; the USSR was playing on hard mode, and eventually fell after a severe mistake (Afghanistan) led to extreme internal dissent and resurgent nationalism. Had it been the other way around--a capitalist land empire against a socialist sea empire--it would have been the socialists who were wealthy enough to build modern medicine.
      - boringg 5y ago
        How is what you are spouting off about communism vs capitalism related to my comment "everyone answers to someone". That comment works for capitalism, socialism, communism ... every system.
boringg 5y ago
Your take is a really bad take riddled with falsisms and deeply concerning thoughts. >>"The correlation between material success and human decency is negative and this needs to be known" - Again this a myth that permeates society since the beginning days and sounds like you are targeting a population. >>"one of the most important cultural battles in this war with Capital" - War with the capital? Nobody is at war with the capital except the fringe right who have already shown their inability to understand the complexity of US institutions and how the world works except through violence to serve their own needs. >>"People who thrive in managerial hierarchies (private sector bureaucracies) tend not to be the best among us. Rather, they tend to be the cancer cells of the human species." - I am seriously concerned about your well-being. It sounds like you are trying to make a call to violence based on some incredibly fringe thoughts.
- rimunroe 5y ago
  > >>"one of the most important cultural battles in this war with Capital" - War with the capital? Nobody is at war with the capital except the fringe right who have already shown their inability to understand the complexity of US institutions and how the world works except through violence to serve their own needs. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you said, but it sounds like you interpreted "Capital" in their sentence as "the government" (or maybe "capitol" as in the building?). I'm pretty sure they meant capital as in "capitalism".
  - boringg 5y ago
    Could be - then I would take back my comment about war with Capital. However it makes the individuals comments less clear. Who is at war with Capital i.e. factories, mines, and railroads ?!?

by 21723 5y ago

nickpp 5y ago

Incidentally, both chemotherapy machines and radiation machines are made by corporations. Corporations which are built and run by managers and executives which you could say "thrive in managerial hierarchies". The value they add to our society and lives is tremendous and calling them "cancer" only shows your bias and lack of rationality.

21723 5y ago
Get back to your Jira tickets. You have standup in 10 minutes and you better be able to justify your daily wage. --Your boss
- boringg 5y ago
  Everyone answers to someone - nobody is immune even if it looks like they are.
  - 21723 5y ago
    Arguably true, also irrelevant. I hope someone is paying you handsomely to post pro-corporate cappie nonsense here, because if you're doing it for free, that's just sad. For a serious response to what you said about modern medicine and the role of corporations in it... technological growth is possible under socialist as well as capitalist systems. It wasn't clear until the 1980s who was ahead and, on that, the reason the US "won" the Cold War (although we really didn't; we just lost less) is not that capitalism is superior--to be clear, the USSR was also deeply flawed, and Stalin was a paranoid butcher for whose actions there is no excuse--but that capitalism was a sea empire and the USSR was a land empire, and modern conflict is unfavorable to land empires. That's it. Land empires have to integrate people. Sea empires can point their cannons and say, "Give me money or die." The USSR had to integrate hundreds of different ethnicities. Capitalism just had to overthrow a few democratically-elected socialists and install dictators (see: Salvador and Allende). Capitalism was playing on easy mode; the USSR was playing on hard mode, and eventually fell after a severe mistake (Afghanistan) led to extreme internal dissent and resurgent nationalism. Had it been the other way around--a capitalist land empire against a socialist sea empire--it would have been the socialists who were wealthy enough to build modern medicine.
    - boringg 5y ago
      How is what you are spouting off about communism vs capitalism related to my comment "everyone answers to someone". That comment works for capitalism, socialism, communism ... every system.

boringg 5y ago

Your take is a really bad take riddled with falsisms and deeply concerning thoughts. >>"The correlation between material success and human decency is negative and this needs to be known" - Again this a myth that permeates society since the beginning days and sounds like you are targeting a population. >>"one of the most important cultural battles in this war with Capital" - War with the capital? Nobody is at war with the capital except the fringe right who have already shown their inability to understand the complexity of US institutions and how the world works except through violence to serve their own needs. >>"People who thrive in managerial hierarchies (private sector bureaucracies) tend not to be the best among us. Rather, they tend to be the cancer cells of the human species." - I am seriously concerned about your well-being. It sounds like you are trying to make a call to violence based on some incredibly fringe thoughts.

rimunroe 5y ago
> >>"one of the most important cultural battles in this war with Capital" - War with the capital? Nobody is at war with the capital except the fringe right who have already shown their inability to understand the complexity of US institutions and how the world works except through violence to serve their own needs. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you said, but it sounds like you interpreted "Capital" in their sentence as "the government" (or maybe "capitol" as in the building?). I'm pretty sure they meant capital as in "capitalism".
- boringg 5y ago
  Could be - then I would take back my comment about war with Capital. However it makes the individuals comments less clear. Who is at war with Capital i.e. factories, mines, and railroads ?!?