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just like casual conversations are ephemeral, why the west always want things to be indexed, tracked, advertised, promoted, pumped, dumped, profited, exploited,

just like casual conversations are ephemeral, why the west always want things to be indexed, tracked, advertised, promoted, pumped, dumped, profited, exploited, abused etc etc etc.. china is doing it right, paying for simple things is so easy TODAY, just scan this thing and done, public transport same thing, so easy TODAY, not in 10 years, it's a thing TODAY, you scan your phone and done, no hassle, everything is smooth, everyone is on the same page there is a lot to learn from china, we already copying them with contactless payments, even though our "market" doesn't want it because they want to make sure business are subscribing to service with insane fees first we'll are stuck in the post industrial age, they are already moving past that, they were only just an emerging country yesterday, it's crazy how the west lost so much time, thanks to the capital i guess, our market doesn't want it

Mindwipe 5y ago
> there is a lot to learn from china, we already copying them with contactless payments, even though our "market" doesn't want it because they want to make sure business are subscribing to service with insane fees first Contactless payments are already widespread in every Western nation that isn't the US.
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  It's very recent, wich is the point of my post, we lost so much time with meaningless things
  - ckcheng 5y ago
    Contactless payments was already adopted in Canada for several years by 2010 [1]. It’s not recent. Not sure why US is slow in this adoption though [1] See first two sentences here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/new-credit-cards-pose-security-problem-1.904220 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/new-credit-cards-pose-securi...
    - Shadonototra 5y ago
      Come on, it was just for a very small minority, and you couldn't do it for every payments, most businesses refused for small payments because of the fees, "CC only after X dollar" kind of rules And you still can't use your phone, a joke this system is
  - Mindwipe 5y ago
    > It's very recent, wich is the point of my post, we lost so much time with meaningless things But again, outside of the US it isn't. Contactless payments have been common in Europe and had widespread usage for a decade. Chinese and European adoption was pretty similar.
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  They are widespread in the US too. Yes, we were slower to adopt them than others, but for the last few years we have had them.
- irrational 5y ago
  Contactless payments are becoming more widespread in the US. At this point, the only store that I frequent that doesn’t accept contactless payment is Home Depot. I recently went on a week long road trip and 90+% of my transactions were contactless.
userbinator 5y ago
It's "easy" when you have no choice, no freedom over how you want to live your life.
- coldtea 5y ago
  I think the freedom in the west is oversold, and lack of it in China is also oversold...
  - cinquemb 5y ago
    Trade of this century: Short US ("Bottled Freedom-Lite"), Short China ("We Peg Our Markets To Bottled Freedom-Lite's") The trick is to structure it to not be long the USD or CNH/CNY for any of the gains.
varispeed 5y ago
What makes you think that they don't index, track, process and do whatever with these conversations? Just because users don't see it, it does not mean it doesn't happen.
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  i never said they don't i said it is the addition of the steps and their expectation in the west that i find weird, replying to OP's story wich i assume he has an agenda to push some services over there to compete with chinese ones then i mention things they have and we don't maybe that is the result of not always expecting what the west expect, wich allows them to be this agile and adopt things much quicker, wich allows them to go past the post industrial age quicker we seen it already with 5G what prevented that to happen in the west? lack of education, lack of market will to invest, they wanted their society to remain in the bronze age because more profitable, and also some of westerners believe 5G is a conspiracy it's weird isn't it? they do what we can't do because we built a society around profits first
netsharc 5y ago
> the west always want things to be indexed, tracked, advertised, promoted, pumped, dumped, profited, exploited, abused etc etc etc.. Well, seems like you want to look at things from the point of view of "I hate surveillance capitalism!". I remember trying to look up how to jailbreak an iPhone 6. Google results were a mostly forum posts talking about iPhone 4 jailbreaks, and it'd be 1 forum post of content and dozens and dozens of people saying "Great job!", "Thanks!", etc, which aggravated the hell out of me. This is persisting something which should be ephemeral (since I feel like dozens of "Thanks!" are valueless 10 seconds after they're uttered) How do you expect to find information if they're not persisted/searchable anywhere, it'd be like in the old ages where you have to figure out the right master who has the know how and reach out to him.
silicon2401 5y ago
> always want things to be indexed, tracked, advertised, promoted, pumped, dumped, profited, exploited, abused etc etc etc.. this is literally what China does lol
School-Cotton 5y ago
I can buy almost anything by tapping my phone in NYC today, including public transit fare.
- jon-wood 5y ago
  China really does take that to another level - when you order a meal in a restaurant and get the bill it has a WeChat or AliPay QR code on it. Scan the code and you've got a pre-populated payment for your meal that can be processed without sitting around trying to get the waiter to bring a card machine to you. At least in the UK that exists to some degree post-covid, but its in the form of every pub chain in the country having its own crappy mobile app for ordering via a phone.
saddd 5y ago
>we already copying them with contactless payments Pretty sure South Korea invented these, and China copied them.

Mindwipe 5y ago

> there is a lot to learn from china, we already copying them with contactless payments, even though our "market" doesn't want it because they want to make sure business are subscribing to service with insane fees first Contactless payments are already widespread in every Western nation that isn't the US.

Shadonototra 5y ago
It's very recent, wich is the point of my post, we lost so much time with meaningless things
- ckcheng 5y ago
  Contactless payments was already adopted in Canada for several years by 2010 [1]. It’s not recent. Not sure why US is slow in this adoption though [1] See first two sentences here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/new-credit-cards-pose-security-problem-1.904220 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/new-credit-cards-pose-securi...
  - Shadonototra 5y ago
    Come on, it was just for a very small minority, and you couldn't do it for every payments, most businesses refused for small payments because of the fees, "CC only after X dollar" kind of rules And you still can't use your phone, a joke this system is
- Mindwipe 5y ago
  > It's very recent, wich is the point of my post, we lost so much time with meaningless things But again, outside of the US it isn't. Contactless payments have been common in Europe and had widespread usage for a decade. Chinese and European adoption was pretty similar.
School-Cotton 5y ago
They are widespread in the US too. Yes, we were slower to adopt them than others, but for the last few years we have had them.
irrational 5y ago
Contactless payments are becoming more widespread in the US. At this point, the only store that I frequent that doesn’t accept contactless payment is Home Depot. I recently went on a week long road trip and 90+% of my transactions were contactless.

userbinator 5y ago

It's "easy" when you have no choice, no freedom over how you want to live your life.

coldtea 5y ago
I think the freedom in the west is oversold, and lack of it in China is also oversold...
- cinquemb 5y ago
  Trade of this century: Short US ("Bottled Freedom-Lite"), Short China ("We Peg Our Markets To Bottled Freedom-Lite's") The trick is to structure it to not be long the USD or CNH/CNY for any of the gains.

varispeed 5y ago

What makes you think that they don't index, track, process and do whatever with these conversations? Just because users don't see it, it does not mean it doesn't happen.

Shadonototra 5y ago
i never said they don't i said it is the addition of the steps and their expectation in the west that i find weird, replying to OP's story wich i assume he has an agenda to push some services over there to compete with chinese ones then i mention things they have and we don't maybe that is the result of not always expecting what the west expect, wich allows them to be this agile and adopt things much quicker, wich allows them to go past the post industrial age quicker we seen it already with 5G what prevented that to happen in the west? lack of education, lack of market will to invest, they wanted their society to remain in the bronze age because more profitable, and also some of westerners believe 5G is a conspiracy it's weird isn't it? they do what we can't do because we built a society around profits first

netsharc 5y ago

> the west always want things to be indexed, tracked, advertised, promoted, pumped, dumped, profited, exploited, abused etc etc etc.. Well, seems like you want to look at things from the point of view of "I hate surveillance capitalism!". I remember trying to look up how to jailbreak an iPhone 6. Google results were a mostly forum posts talking about iPhone 4 jailbreaks, and it'd be 1 forum post of content and dozens and dozens of people saying "Great job!", "Thanks!", etc, which aggravated the hell out of me. This is persisting something which should be ephemeral (since I feel like dozens of "Thanks!" are valueless 10 seconds after they're uttered) How do you expect to find information if they're not persisted/searchable anywhere, it'd be like in the old ages where you have to figure out the right master who has the know how and reach out to him.

silicon2401 5y ago

> always want things to be indexed, tracked, advertised, promoted, pumped, dumped, profited, exploited, abused etc etc etc.. this is literally what China does lol

School-Cotton 5y ago

I can buy almost anything by tapping my phone in NYC today, including public transit fare.

jon-wood 5y ago
China really does take that to another level - when you order a meal in a restaurant and get the bill it has a WeChat or AliPay QR code on it. Scan the code and you've got a pre-populated payment for your meal that can be processed without sitting around trying to get the waiter to bring a card machine to you. At least in the UK that exists to some degree post-covid, but its in the form of every pub chain in the country having its own crappy mobile app for ordering via a phone.

saddd 5y ago

>we already copying them with contactless payments Pretty sure South Korea invented these, and China copied them.