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The leaders of the protest sought to overthrow the government. It was written on their list of demands. https://conservativespolitics.com/leaders-of-truck-convo

The leaders of the protest sought to overthrow the government. It was written on their list of demands. https://conservativespolitics.com/leaders-of-truck-convoy-protests-sought-to-overthrow-government-national-security-adviser-says/ https://conservativespolitics.com/leaders-of-truck-convoy-pr...

incomingpain 5y ago
>The leaders of the protest sought to overthrow the government. It was written on their list of demands. https://conservativespolitics.com/leaders-of-truck-convoy-pr https://conservativespolitics.com/leaders-of-truck-convoy-pr... I dont know this website. Article written March 10th well after the fact and just hosts a very clearly one sided view of this. Jody thomas? I dont know wtf this is about. Let me explain in much better detail about what you're trying to get at. There was a website named 'canada unity' who put together a MOU in which called on the governor general to inform Trudeau that he has to return our charter rights. In a way you can read it as saying the governor general is overthrowing the government by effectively dissolving Trudeau's government. This poorly put together was run by JAMES BAUDER and his wife. They were never even for a second one of the protest leaders. Yet the canadian media portrayed this website as THE protest leaders. Used this MOU as justification of calling on the governor general to overthrow the government's sovereignty. This is how they are claiming the protest was overthrowing the government. So for example: https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-major-players-in-the-trucker-convoy-protest-1.5776441 https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo... Notice how James Bauder is literally the top of the list. But wait lets look at this closer. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-chris-barber-arrested-ottawa-1.6355960 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-chris-barb... Ctrl + f "bauder": 0 results. James Bauder was nobody. Tamara Lich was the key organizer. Involvement in several previous protests. She represented the protest in negotiations with the mayor of ottawa. She represented the protest in court over the honking situation. Chris Barber had Jordan Peterson's audience. Pat King is an actor on the otherhand. His acting played the canadian media's bias against themselves so badly. What exactly was the crime the protest was committing. Parking violations really. The only problem that anyone can explain about this peaceful protest is ParKing violations. Yet here we are, everyone is a nazis, confederates, racists. Pat King offered the canadian media every prejudice, every biased hate thing he could think of. He got into the limelight because they ate up everything he said. He gave them everything they ever wanted on a golden platter. For multiple elections conservatives have run on the plan to defund these lying canadian media. They got played big time. Flipside, we're now a month later and pat king is still in jail. Original charge was just 'counseling mischief' but the new charges are 'counseling a felony that wasnt committed." Absurd vague fake charges to crush a peaceful protest.
- philistine 5y ago
  We were not discussing whether the protest was peaceful or not; we are discussing whether or not self-evident leaders of the movement wanted a coup. You can personnally cry and cry that they were not leaders of the movement, but never has Tamara Lich publically denounced James Bauder, or denied her desire to overthrow the government. She never went on record denouncing his involvement in any leadership position. Letting someone in a protest you supposedely organize run around and demand the overthrow of the government is a thing that happens all the time; it's common. Whenever that person has the limelight on them, you vigorously denounce them and deny any sort of leadership on their part. Failure to do so means you agree. Ultimately, this whole convoy was dangerously inept. That's a thing. You can be so clueless, so reckless that you're a danger to others.
  - incomingpain 5y ago
    >We were not discussing whether the protest was peaceful or not; Excellent, you cede that they were peaceful and therefore their charter rights were violated. >we are discussing whether or not self-evident leaders of the movement wanted a coup. They didn't. The Media doesnt get to pick who the leaders are neither. >You can personnally cry and cry that they were not leaders of the movement, but never has Tamara Lich publically denounced James Bauder, or denied her desire to overthrow the government. I provided CBC who clearly never listed James Bauder as a protest leader. Never did Tamara Lich ever call for overthrow of the government. You want to think the media gets to choose some random protester, say he is leader and then use them? > She never went on record denouncing his involvement in any leadership position. She doesnt need to. That's a ridiculous requirement. >Letting someone in a protest you supposedely organize run around and demand the overthrow of the government is a thing that happens all the time; it's common. Perfect! In future... the media gets to pick who the leader of all protests are. Not the protest itself. Did you meet John Smith the ecoterrorist who wishes to destroy Canada? Every future protest = illegal now. >Whenever that person has the limelight on them, you vigorously denounce them and deny any sort of leadership on their part. Failure to do so means you agree. Great, going forward all left-wing protests will have John Smith the ecoterrorist speaking for them. >Ultimately, this whole convoy was dangerously inept. That's a thing. You can be so clueless, so reckless that you're a danger to others. How dare they so recklessly exercise their right to protest!
s1artibartfast 5y ago
absolute FUD and lies. They wanted policy change. Telling your government to use its powers is not revolution. They wanted to "overthrow" the government in the same sense that protestors to legalize gay marriage want to overthrow the government.
- philistine 5y ago
  Asking the Governor General to act against the advice of her Prime Minister is a good definition of an overthrow of government.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    Is it? Is it overthrow for a senator or citizen to vote against the advice of the PM? There is an intentional conflation between political reform and treason/rebellion happening here. Not doing what you're told to and seeking political reform is only rebellion in an absolute dictatorship
    - philistine 5y ago
      You misunderstand the Canadian political system. A senator or MP is free to act according to their own desire; they are political actors elected or appointed expressly for that. The Governor General is Canada's representative of the Queen. They are not a politician. Literal centuries of British and Canadian jurisprudence have defined the Governor General to have no ability to act without the advice of their Prime Minister. As an unelected representative of the Monarch, if they act without the advice of the Prime Minister, that's a tyrant overthrowing the elected government. England cut off the head of the last monarch to act against the will of the House.
      - s1artibartfast 5y ago
        I will openly admit that I have limited knowledgeable of the role of the Governor General in Canadian constitution and legal history. I still think that characterizing the memorandum of understanding as treason is a misunderstanding of both what a MoU is and the contents of this specific MoU. First, a MoU is a declaration of intent and a commitment to take an action - Not a legislative bill. This MoU was addressed to both the Senate and the Governor General. It doesn't specify how the parties will achieve their their commitment. It is up to the parties to determine if there is a lawful way to meet their commitments before making them. Senators in Canada have the ability to introduce bills, which can be approved via the traditional pathway. It also doesn't say anything about removal of the PM. https://canada-unity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Combined-MOU-Dec03.pdf https://canada-unity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Combined...

incomingpain 5y ago

>The leaders of the protest sought to overthrow the government. It was written on their list of demands. https://conservativespolitics.com/leaders-of-truck-convoy-pr https://conservativespolitics.com/leaders-of-truck-convoy-pr... I dont know this website. Article written March 10th well after the fact and just hosts a very clearly one sided view of this. Jody thomas? I dont know wtf this is about. Let me explain in much better detail about what you're trying to get at. There was a website named 'canada unity' who put together a MOU in which called on the governor general to inform Trudeau that he has to return our charter rights. In a way you can read it as saying the governor general is overthrowing the government by effectively dissolving Trudeau's government. This poorly put together was run by JAMES BAUDER and his wife. They were never even for a second one of the protest leaders. Yet the canadian media portrayed this website as THE protest leaders. Used this MOU as justification of calling on the governor general to overthrow the government's sovereignty. This is how they are claiming the protest was overthrowing the government. So for example: https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-major-players-in-the-trucker-convoy-protest-1.5776441 https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo... Notice how James Bauder is literally the top of the list. But wait lets look at this closer. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-chris-barber-arrested-ottawa-1.6355960 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-chris-barb... Ctrl + f "bauder": 0 results. James Bauder was nobody. Tamara Lich was the key organizer. Involvement in several previous protests. She represented the protest in negotiations with the mayor of ottawa. She represented the protest in court over the honking situation. Chris Barber had Jordan Peterson's audience. Pat King is an actor on the otherhand. His acting played the canadian media's bias against themselves so badly. What exactly was the crime the protest was committing. Parking violations really. The only problem that anyone can explain about this peaceful protest is ParKing violations. Yet here we are, everyone is a nazis, confederates, racists. Pat King offered the canadian media every prejudice, every biased hate thing he could think of. He got into the limelight because they ate up everything he said. He gave them everything they ever wanted on a golden platter. For multiple elections conservatives have run on the plan to defund these lying canadian media. They got played big time. Flipside, we're now a month later and pat king is still in jail. Original charge was just 'counseling mischief' but the new charges are 'counseling a felony that wasnt committed." Absurd vague fake charges to crush a peaceful protest.

philistine 5y ago
We were not discussing whether the protest was peaceful or not; we are discussing whether or not self-evident leaders of the movement wanted a coup. You can personnally cry and cry that they were not leaders of the movement, but never has Tamara Lich publically denounced James Bauder, or denied her desire to overthrow the government. She never went on record denouncing his involvement in any leadership position. Letting someone in a protest you supposedely organize run around and demand the overthrow of the government is a thing that happens all the time; it's common. Whenever that person has the limelight on them, you vigorously denounce them and deny any sort of leadership on their part. Failure to do so means you agree. Ultimately, this whole convoy was dangerously inept. That's a thing. You can be so clueless, so reckless that you're a danger to others.
- incomingpain 5y ago
  >We were not discussing whether the protest was peaceful or not; Excellent, you cede that they were peaceful and therefore their charter rights were violated. >we are discussing whether or not self-evident leaders of the movement wanted a coup. They didn't. The Media doesnt get to pick who the leaders are neither. >You can personnally cry and cry that they were not leaders of the movement, but never has Tamara Lich publically denounced James Bauder, or denied her desire to overthrow the government. I provided CBC who clearly never listed James Bauder as a protest leader. Never did Tamara Lich ever call for overthrow of the government. You want to think the media gets to choose some random protester, say he is leader and then use them? > She never went on record denouncing his involvement in any leadership position. She doesnt need to. That's a ridiculous requirement. >Letting someone in a protest you supposedely organize run around and demand the overthrow of the government is a thing that happens all the time; it's common. Perfect! In future... the media gets to pick who the leader of all protests are. Not the protest itself. Did you meet John Smith the ecoterrorist who wishes to destroy Canada? Every future protest = illegal now. >Whenever that person has the limelight on them, you vigorously denounce them and deny any sort of leadership on their part. Failure to do so means you agree. Great, going forward all left-wing protests will have John Smith the ecoterrorist speaking for them. >Ultimately, this whole convoy was dangerously inept. That's a thing. You can be so clueless, so reckless that you're a danger to others. How dare they so recklessly exercise their right to protest!

s1artibartfast 5y ago

absolute FUD and lies. They wanted policy change. Telling your government to use its powers is not revolution. They wanted to "overthrow" the government in the same sense that protestors to legalize gay marriage want to overthrow the government.

philistine 5y ago
Asking the Governor General to act against the advice of her Prime Minister is a good definition of an overthrow of government.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Is it? Is it overthrow for a senator or citizen to vote against the advice of the PM? There is an intentional conflation between political reform and treason/rebellion happening here. Not doing what you're told to and seeking political reform is only rebellion in an absolute dictatorship
  - philistine 5y ago
    You misunderstand the Canadian political system. A senator or MP is free to act according to their own desire; they are political actors elected or appointed expressly for that. The Governor General is Canada's representative of the Queen. They are not a politician. Literal centuries of British and Canadian jurisprudence have defined the Governor General to have no ability to act without the advice of their Prime Minister. As an unelected representative of the Monarch, if they act without the advice of the Prime Minister, that's a tyrant overthrowing the elected government. England cut off the head of the last monarch to act against the will of the House.
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      I will openly admit that I have limited knowledgeable of the role of the Governor General in Canadian constitution and legal history. I still think that characterizing the memorandum of understanding as treason is a misunderstanding of both what a MoU is and the contents of this specific MoU. First, a MoU is a declaration of intent and a commitment to take an action - Not a legislative bill. This MoU was addressed to both the Senate and the Governor General. It doesn't specify how the parties will achieve their their commitment. It is up to the parties to determine if there is a lawful way to meet their commitments before making them. Senators in Canada have the ability to introduce bills, which can be approved via the traditional pathway. It also doesn't say anything about removal of the PM. https://canada-unity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Combined-MOU-Dec03.pdf https://canada-unity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Combined...