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What a crazy mess of services, so sad to see. redis was such a beautiful, elegant and pragmatic code base that was extremely effective at what it does. It looks

What a crazy mess of services, so sad to see. redis was such a beautiful, elegant and pragmatic code base that was extremely effective at what it does. It looks like they are trying their hardest to make it more enterprisy to squeeze every last cent out.

akmittal 5y ago
Open source has changed a lot recently. Most people/companies do open source to make money. The initial phase is just to make the software popular enough so that a money-making business can be built around it. Frankly, I don't see anything bad with it. Those who don't want to spend money get it for free and those who can afford will pay for it.
- fmajid 5y ago
  This is I-Can’t-Believe-It’s-Not-Open-Source™, not the real thing.
  - samhw 5y ago
    Is it? I mean, how? The core Redis software is still open source as it's always been, with the same (well, improved over time) functionality, whereas the closed-source for-profit components are not even 'paywalled features' but clearly separate higher-layer products building on the core (visualisation, ML, time series, full-text search, graph structures, &c). To me this is a paradigmatic example of well-done open-core.
gkorland 5y ago
It doesn't change Redis. redis-server will stay simple as it always been, redis-stack-server extends redis-server with addition functionality for those who need more low latency data access more than Redis K/V.
eternityforest 5y ago
Seems great to me. The AGPL style license is a bit much, but they have to make money somehow.
- gkorland 5y ago
  If you read the license carefully you'll notice it's much more permissive than AGPL, and allows you as an end user (as long as you're not developing a database) to do with it whatever you want.
  - rsstack 5y ago
    GP likely meant AGPL-style as "MIT/BSD with limitations on usage, like how AGPL is MIT/BSD with a limitation on licensing of client code".
tehbeard 5y ago
Nothing is stopping you running vanilla Redis... And none of this touches that codebase, as they're modules you could opt to install/load manually?
shandor 5y ago
Isn't this just a collection of addons/plugins on top of the "actual Redis"? If so, what's your objection? To me this amounts to more or less just expanding the Redis ecosystem, which feels like a win-win.
- johndfsgdgdfg 5y ago
  It's the hot take culture. Some people see internet forums as a vessel to unleash their toxicity.
  - samhw 5y ago
    I don't see how it's 'toxic' to express dissatisfaction with mission creep in a piece of software. It's a totally normal, reasonable criticism, and from the author's point of view is far more useful than their staying silent.
    - fernandotakai 5y ago
      i would agree that this was "mission creep" if it those were not plugins. you can still use 100% vanilla redis without any of this.
stuckinhell 5y ago
Yea I agree, I love redis. I have to admit seeing this group of services was a little strange, but your comment about enterprise money seems on the nose.
boesboes 5y ago
Are you paying for redis? I know I am not. Also, you comment is unfounded because redis is still redis, this is a stack build on top of it.
zild3d 5y ago
> redis was such a beautiful, elegant and pragmatic code base that was extremely effective at what it does Doesn't seem like that has changed to me

akmittal 5y ago

Open source has changed a lot recently. Most people/companies do open source to make money. The initial phase is just to make the software popular enough so that a money-making business can be built around it. Frankly, I don't see anything bad with it. Those who don't want to spend money get it for free and those who can afford will pay for it.

fmajid 5y ago
This is I-Can’t-Believe-It’s-Not-Open-Source™, not the real thing.
- samhw 5y ago
  Is it? I mean, how? The core Redis software is still open source as it's always been, with the same (well, improved over time) functionality, whereas the closed-source for-profit components are not even 'paywalled features' but clearly separate higher-layer products building on the core (visualisation, ML, time series, full-text search, graph structures, &c). To me this is a paradigmatic example of well-done open-core.

gkorland 5y ago

It doesn't change Redis. redis-server will stay simple as it always been, redis-stack-server extends redis-server with addition functionality for those who need more low latency data access more than Redis K/V.

eternityforest 5y ago

Seems great to me. The AGPL style license is a bit much, but they have to make money somehow.

gkorland 5y ago
If you read the license carefully you'll notice it's much more permissive than AGPL, and allows you as an end user (as long as you're not developing a database) to do with it whatever you want.
- rsstack 5y ago
  GP likely meant AGPL-style as "MIT/BSD with limitations on usage, like how AGPL is MIT/BSD with a limitation on licensing of client code".

tehbeard 5y ago

Nothing is stopping you running vanilla Redis... And none of this touches that codebase, as they're modules you could opt to install/load manually?

shandor 5y ago

Isn't this just a collection of addons/plugins on top of the "actual Redis"? If so, what's your objection? To me this amounts to more or less just expanding the Redis ecosystem, which feels like a win-win.

johndfsgdgdfg 5y ago
It's the hot take culture. Some people see internet forums as a vessel to unleash their toxicity.
- samhw 5y ago
  I don't see how it's 'toxic' to express dissatisfaction with mission creep in a piece of software. It's a totally normal, reasonable criticism, and from the author's point of view is far more useful than their staying silent.
  - fernandotakai 5y ago
    i would agree that this was "mission creep" if it those were not plugins. you can still use 100% vanilla redis without any of this.

stuckinhell 5y ago

Yea I agree, I love redis. I have to admit seeing this group of services was a little strange, but your comment about enterprise money seems on the nose.

boesboes 5y ago

Are you paying for redis? I know I am not. Also, you comment is unfounded because redis is still redis, this is a stack build on top of it.

zild3d 5y ago

> redis was such a beautiful, elegant and pragmatic code base that was extremely effective at what it does Doesn't seem like that has changed to me