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The canadian government declared an emergency under the emergencies act. The act enables the government to make any orders or regulations, so there is no need t

The canadian government declared an emergency under the emergencies act. The act enables the government to make any orders or regulations, so there is no need to go through the court.

lottin 5y ago
So it's not abuse then? If it was done according to law.
- esyir 5y ago
  In same way that the patriot act is legal, yes.
- wolpoli 5y ago
  Yes, it's perfectly legal and done according to law. There are some oversights. Under the Emergencies Act, the Parliament and the Senate get to confirm the use of the act. What surprised people were the fact that the action of voting down the use of the act will trigger an election, and parties didn't want an election. [1] [1]: https://windsorstar.com/news/canada/mps-to-vote-tonight-on-whether-emergencies-act-for-blockades-still-needed/wcm/559bf3e4-f53c-4e30-a895-92202da578c9 https://windsorstar.com/news/canada/mps-to-vote-tonight-on-w...
- Wildgoose 5y ago
  Vienna’s jews were rounded up into camps perfectly legally according to the Law. I don’t think this is a route you really want to go down.
  - lottin 5y ago
    If you're claiming that a government is abusing its power because it froze some funds, and it turns out it was done according to law, then the accusation is unsubstantiated. Maybe it was abusing its power, but we haven't been shown any evidence. And the burden of proof is on you to show that it was an abuse of power.
    - xdennis 5y ago
      The government used emergency powers designed to be used in case of war for dealing with peaceful protesters. The previous act was only used during WW1, WW2, and during the October Crisis by Trudeau's alleged father, which is also the reason the powers were watered down. Canada's democracy slip up was criticized in the EU: https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/justin-trudeau-blasted-by-eu-parliament-for-handling-of-freedom-convoy-protests-in-canada-articleshow.html https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-n... > the burden of proof is on you Which is impossible because the government explicitly said they won't be transparent and that all the charges are secret: > Freeland said she would not give "specifics of whose accounts are being frozen." -- https://www.newsweek.com/banks-have-begun-freezing-accounts-linked-trucker-protest-1680649 https://www.newsweek.com/banks-have-begun-freezing-accounts-...
      - incomingpain 5y ago
        > Freeland said she would not give "specifics of whose accounts are being frozen." Freeland did say that they would be freezing the donators as well in the original videos. The more egregious comment was by David Lamenti. He's a lawyer and law professor. He knows the law. His comments are not a gaffe and not out of context or anything. This is not him pulling the wrong insult out of his bag. He spoke clearly and he meant every little bit of the comment. https://torontosun.com/news/national/trudeau-minister-threatens-to-seize-accounts-of-pro-trump-convoy-donors https://torontosun.com/news/national/trudeau-minister-threat... The CTV guy is even like wtf. Days later the RCMP disavowed being involved and urgently worked to unfreeze those bank accounts. https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en.html https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en...
    - account42 5y ago
      That is a pretty high bar for abuse you have there. Emergency acts are typically meant for governments to react quickly to unprecedented situations where not all eventualities can be forseen and covered by laws. This means that they are grant very broad powers that considered unacceptable under normal conditions and thus any use of those powers is potential abuse. What is abuse and what dis not allowed are two entirely different things.
- soundnote 5y ago
  So we cannot deem past slavery abusive, then? According to law, after all.

The canadian government declared an emergency under the emergencies act. The act enables the government to make any orders or regulations, so there is no need to go through the court.

lottin 5y ago

So it's not abuse then? If it was done according to law.

esyir 5y ago
In same way that the patriot act is legal, yes.
wolpoli 5y ago
Yes, it's perfectly legal and done according to law. There are some oversights. Under the Emergencies Act, the Parliament and the Senate get to confirm the use of the act. What surprised people were the fact that the action of voting down the use of the act will trigger an election, and parties didn't want an election. [1] [1]: https://windsorstar.com/news/canada/mps-to-vote-tonight-on-whether-emergencies-act-for-blockades-still-needed/wcm/559bf3e4-f53c-4e30-a895-92202da578c9 https://windsorstar.com/news/canada/mps-to-vote-tonight-on-w...
Wildgoose 5y ago
Vienna’s jews were rounded up into camps perfectly legally according to the Law. I don’t think this is a route you really want to go down.
- lottin 5y ago
  If you're claiming that a government is abusing its power because it froze some funds, and it turns out it was done according to law, then the accusation is unsubstantiated. Maybe it was abusing its power, but we haven't been shown any evidence. And the burden of proof is on you to show that it was an abuse of power.
  - xdennis 5y ago
    The government used emergency powers designed to be used in case of war for dealing with peaceful protesters. The previous act was only used during WW1, WW2, and during the October Crisis by Trudeau's alleged father, which is also the reason the powers were watered down. Canada's democracy slip up was criticized in the EU: https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/justin-trudeau-blasted-by-eu-parliament-for-handling-of-freedom-convoy-protests-in-canada-articleshow.html https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-n... > the burden of proof is on you Which is impossible because the government explicitly said they won't be transparent and that all the charges are secret: > Freeland said she would not give "specifics of whose accounts are being frozen." -- https://www.newsweek.com/banks-have-begun-freezing-accounts-linked-trucker-protest-1680649 https://www.newsweek.com/banks-have-begun-freezing-accounts-...
    - incomingpain 5y ago
      > Freeland said she would not give "specifics of whose accounts are being frozen." Freeland did say that they would be freezing the donators as well in the original videos. The more egregious comment was by David Lamenti. He's a lawyer and law professor. He knows the law. His comments are not a gaffe and not out of context or anything. This is not him pulling the wrong insult out of his bag. He spoke clearly and he meant every little bit of the comment. https://torontosun.com/news/national/trudeau-minister-threatens-to-seize-accounts-of-pro-trump-convoy-donors https://torontosun.com/news/national/trudeau-minister-threat... The CTV guy is even like wtf. Days later the RCMP disavowed being involved and urgently worked to unfreeze those bank accounts. https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en.html https://blockade.rcmp.ca/news-nouvelles/ncr-rcn211130-s-d-en...
  - account42 5y ago
    That is a pretty high bar for abuse you have there. Emergency acts are typically meant for governments to react quickly to unprecedented situations where not all eventualities can be forseen and covered by laws. This means that they are grant very broad powers that considered unacceptable under normal conditions and thus any use of those powers is potential abuse. What is abuse and what dis not allowed are two entirely different things.
soundnote 5y ago
So we cannot deem past slavery abusive, then? According to law, after all.