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Exactly the kind of politics that is so uninteresting and draining working in companies like this. And all of this on top of the actual job itself. It just isn’

Exactly the kind of politics that is so uninteresting and draining working in companies like this. And all of this on top of the actual job itself. It just isn’t worth it.

dominotw 5y ago
>It just isn’t worth it. whats the alternative. consulting?
- anyfoo 5y ago
  Yeah. Unless the alternative is "retire", aren't you just replacing one brand of bullshit with another, potentially worse brand (entirely dependent on the person, I guess)?
  - jackthetab 5y ago
    Possibly, but you're equating "contractor" == "employee" when in reality you have more options. 1. No one said you _had_ to do that job for that client. You don't have that flexibility as an employee. 2. Don't feel like putting up with all the bullshit? Keep raising your rates until a) it's worth your while (I personally can put up with a lot of BS for $400/hour) or b) until they decide you're too expensive and let you go. This is not an option when dealing with your employer. 3. Having downtime as a consultant in between clients is seen as normal. Between employers, it can be a death knell. Knowing, and willingly to execute, these options gives you a completely different perspective than being an employee. Which means you handle the situtations differently (better?).
- nunez 5y ago
  nope unless you're solo and work gigs.
- PeterisP 5y ago
  So much of consulting is effectively digging in dysfunctional organizations and circumventing their people problems.. For example, coordinating between team A and team B, because they are unable to (or refuse to) communicate effectively; or submitting a convincing report to management with data/conclusions/proposal that some team in their company effectively had already a year ago, but were unable to get the management to implement the proposals because they cost a lot of money and they wouldn't believe their own people unless outside consultants said that this really needs to be done. And of course there's sales. And pre-sales, and post-sales followup that's effectively sales for the next, much bigger projects... No, consulting is definitely not a way to escape politics.
- annoyingnoob 5y ago
  Start your own business. I always thought I might like to have an ice cream shop.
alecbz 5y ago
Where there’s people there’s politics.

Exactly the kind of politics that is so uninteresting and draining working in companies like this. And all of this on top of the actual job itself. It just isn’t worth it.

dominotw 5y ago

>It just isn’t worth it. whats the alternative. consulting?

anyfoo 5y ago
Yeah. Unless the alternative is "retire", aren't you just replacing one brand of bullshit with another, potentially worse brand (entirely dependent on the person, I guess)?
- jackthetab 5y ago
  Possibly, but you're equating "contractor" == "employee" when in reality you have more options. 1. No one said you _had_ to do that job for that client. You don't have that flexibility as an employee. 2. Don't feel like putting up with all the bullshit? Keep raising your rates until a) it's worth your while (I personally can put up with a lot of BS for $400/hour) or b) until they decide you're too expensive and let you go. This is not an option when dealing with your employer. 3. Having downtime as a consultant in between clients is seen as normal. Between employers, it can be a death knell. Knowing, and willingly to execute, these options gives you a completely different perspective than being an employee. Which means you handle the situtations differently (better?).
nunez 5y ago
nope unless you're solo and work gigs.
PeterisP 5y ago
So much of consulting is effectively digging in dysfunctional organizations and circumventing their people problems.. For example, coordinating between team A and team B, because they are unable to (or refuse to) communicate effectively; or submitting a convincing report to management with data/conclusions/proposal that some team in their company effectively had already a year ago, but were unable to get the management to implement the proposals because they cost a lot of money and they wouldn't believe their own people unless outside consultants said that this really needs to be done. And of course there's sales. And pre-sales, and post-sales followup that's effectively sales for the next, much bigger projects... No, consulting is definitely not a way to escape politics.
annoyingnoob 5y ago
Start your own business. I always thought I might like to have an ice cream shop.

alecbz 5y ago

Where there’s people there’s politics.