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I know a lot of hippies. There are of q-pilled hippies, right libertarian hippies, sovereign citizen hippies, etc. That's not even getting into the genericall

I know a lot of hippies. There are of q-pilled hippies, right libertarian hippies, sovereign citizen hippies, etc. That's not even getting into the generically apolitical but anti-authoritarian folks who are in the counterculture and who definitely aren't embracing typical liberal aesthetics. I know more or less progressive anti-vax folks who are also anti-Trump. And then I get into the older folks I know who grew up in the 50s and 60s who were in that first giant wave of psychonauts. Most of those folks are incredibly conservative by contemporary liberal aesthetics. I grew up in a conservative part of Texas, and it took me until my mid-20s to fully comprehend that there are plenty of right-wing folks who are into all kinds of psychadelia.

betwixthewires 5y ago
I think this sort of thing comes as a surprise to more left leaning people who still hold on to the 1960s stereotype that they have a monopoly on all the cool and interesting things.
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  My guess is it's just the habit of jamming everything into the rigid left-right dichotomy demanded by the american two party system. Very very many trends and inclinations in the US don't line up well with a purely left/right alignment. Or a progressive/conservative one, which is often used interchangeably, but doing that is throwing away layers that could help with understanding rightward hippies, black hebrew israelites, other groups that just don't fit cleanly into a "left" or a "right" of anything.
  - dTal 5y ago
    Well, it's a global phenomenon, as noted in the introductory paragraphs of TFA. But delete "demanded by the american two party system" and "in the US" and your comment is perfectly valid globally. You needn't artificially restrict your scope :)
    - giraffe_lady 5y ago
      I was restricting it only to assertions I'm confident about. It may be largely true elsewhere but I've learned to be really careful on HN. If there is a counterexample anywhere it will be used to attempt to dismiss any point you're making. That aside, I do think having having two permanent political parties reinforces this way of thinking. The US isn't the only place with that setup but it's the only one I'm very familiar with the culture of.
BossingAround 5y ago
Which is interesting, because for example cannabis is not legal in Texas (not fully, that is, only with a prescription and only under 1% of THC, which is not great). I keep hearing about how most folks are for legalization of cannabis in various countries, and yet we just don't legalize it. It's crazy how much money the state is missing on! (Note: I know the article is not directly related to cannabis specifically, but this has been bugging me for a while.)

betwixthewires 5y ago

I think this sort of thing comes as a surprise to more left leaning people who still hold on to the 1960s stereotype that they have a monopoly on all the cool and interesting things.

giraffe_lady 5y ago
My guess is it's just the habit of jamming everything into the rigid left-right dichotomy demanded by the american two party system. Very very many trends and inclinations in the US don't line up well with a purely left/right alignment. Or a progressive/conservative one, which is often used interchangeably, but doing that is throwing away layers that could help with understanding rightward hippies, black hebrew israelites, other groups that just don't fit cleanly into a "left" or a "right" of anything.
- dTal 5y ago
  Well, it's a global phenomenon, as noted in the introductory paragraphs of TFA. But delete "demanded by the american two party system" and "in the US" and your comment is perfectly valid globally. You needn't artificially restrict your scope :)
  - giraffe_lady 5y ago
    I was restricting it only to assertions I'm confident about. It may be largely true elsewhere but I've learned to be really careful on HN. If there is a counterexample anywhere it will be used to attempt to dismiss any point you're making. That aside, I do think having having two permanent political parties reinforces this way of thinking. The US isn't the only place with that setup but it's the only one I'm very familiar with the culture of.

BossingAround 5y ago

Which is interesting, because for example cannabis is not legal in Texas (not fully, that is, only with a prescription and only under 1% of THC, which is not great). I keep hearing about how most folks are for legalization of cannabis in various countries, and yet we just don't legalize it. It's crazy how much money the state is missing on! (Note: I know the article is not directly related to cannabis specifically, but this has been bugging me for a while.)