> They don't get me to a party in the woods; Many cars today have severely limited ability to drive on even rough roads (let alone off-road), that doesn't make

> They don't get me to a party in the woods; Many cars today have severely limited ability to drive on even rough roads (let alone off-road), that doesn't make them not "cars". In general, I think the argument you are poorly phrasing the argument you are trying to make. You seem to be trying to say that until self-driving technology can handle all use cases, you don't want to own a car without human driving controls. I don't think such exclusively driverless cars will be marketed to consumers for a long time. What we will see in the nearer is more standard consumer cars with varying ranges of level 4 self driving capabilities. These cars will match every one of your criteria.